Since there isn't always gamedays, I thought I'd make this thread so we have a place we can talk about the games if there isn't another thread to post in.
Anyone see last nights game? I missed it. First thing to that popped out at me when I looked at the box score is it looks like the combo of Hibbert, West and Hansbrough are still rebounding amazingly well. Only 3 games in but a nice sign so far.
Rough night for George going 0-4. He get locked down, or just have a bad game?
I just don't understand how the guys can work all offseason and look worse than they did at many points last season. I don't care if we lose, but every game this year has been ugly. It's like these guys forgot how to play basketball when Danny Granger left.
INJURY UPDATE: Danny Granger received an injection Tuesday to treat left patellar tendinosis. Team medical personnel are looking at a recovery time of approximately three months.
Outstanding. 3 months + the time it always takes Granger to get his shot back + the time it takes him to get in shape means that he should be in good form come playoff time. ****. I guess this is really Paul George's time to show us something.
Great opporunity for Paul George but this is terrible for the team overall obviously. Could work out okay though if we squeeze into the playoffs as the 7th seed and play Boston first round.
I honestly don't know who to blame. Roy has played soft as hell for long stretches, George hasn't performed as well as he should offensively, our bench hasn't been as impressive as any of us expected..... the list goes on and on.
We really need to get our shit together if we're going to make the playoffs.
Isn't that the point in the game where Sam Young should've been in? It's really frustrating having 3 completely incompetent perimeter players on defense in Augustin, Stephenson, and Green. And they all see significant minutes. When you add that Hibbert and West look lost rotating and neither can hedge or switch a pick and roll effectively, you have a bad recipe for defense. It's almost like this team is 20 years too late. In a league where slow Centers are fading away, it's really tough having two slow-footed big men who seem allergic to rebounding.
I'm not sure the problem here is as simple as Granger or Vogel.
Ugh Sam Young. But yeah Hibbert is too slow, he really needs help. I wonder if he's in game shape yet, hopefully not.
I think the only upside so far is we've only played 1 home game... We probably would've won that game last night and the one in Atlanta if they were at home. We've been overlooking that part of the problem, we played bad at times on the road last year. Good road play comes partly from experience, but it would be nice to see a little bit of this Gold Swagger PS&E has been advertising.
Btw, George Hill was amazing last night, we really need him to look to score right now considering Granger is out. If he can do it consistently, it will only help Hibbert and West on the block/elbow.
Raptors lost a Triple OT game last night and didn't arrive into Indiana until 2:30AM and yet they are still managing to play with way more energy than we are.
**** this team. And specifically, **** 3 people involved in these losses.
**** Lance Stephenson.
**** Frank Vogel for playing Lance Stephenson and hardly even trying Augustin.
**** Roy Hibber for playing like a backup caliber big man.
I haven't seen enough Pacers games this season, but it seems like Lance is one of our bright spots. He's not a ball-stopper anymore, but he's also not incredibly timid. He picks his spots well, gives us another ball handler when George Hill is on the floor, and is leading our team in field goal and three-point percentage. The downside is that he's still a terrible defender, but no worse than Gerald Green or DJ Augustin. And I thought Darren Collison was bad on D, but man is Augustin atrocious. I'm assuming the reason he isn't playing much is because he's timid, shooting terribly this season, and he provides nothing on defense. He's a great passer, but that only gets you so far.
But yes, for now, **** Roy Hibbert. He's on one of his month-long emotional periods. The guy is just incapable of playing under any pressure whatsoever.
This team is so bad. It's bad enough that we lost to a poor team coming off a triple-OT game the night before, but what's even worse is that this might not even be our worst loss this year.
Our defense is coming along as well as it can considering how bad Stephenson, Augustin, and Green are, but man is our offense terrible. Frank Vogel's whole simple offense, Hubie Brown style might've worked last year and during Vogel's interim period, but man, we should actually have an offense right now that's more complex than a high school team.
As bad as everyone else is playing, he's a bright spot. Highest 3pt %? That's pretty good considering he only made like 3 points from behind the arc in his past two seasons. It shows he's actually working on his game compared to everyone else. He's the only guy that looks improved this year.
That's a tough call. If we do, aren't we right back to where we were before he took over?
I expected to take a step forward this year, and while Granger is injured, it still looks like we took a step back even if he was healthy on the team.
I don't want to wait until mid season for the team to say "Oh, well this isn't working." I want a change now. Not a coaching change, but we need to shake this team up. Roy Hibbert is asleep, Paul George is proving not to be the #1 option we hoped he'd be, and the bench which was supposed to be a strength has turned into a weakness.
Lance Stephenson is the least of our problems. I'd rather have him in than Augustin, D.J. has not gelled well yet with this team at all.
Our offense is horrible, one of the worst in the league. We gave Vogel a pass last year with the whole shortened training camp and preseason, but this year he gets a good amount of time and it is still just as bad. I really think this guy is just incapable of creating an offensive system that works with the players that we have. I'm afraid that he has a lot of JOB in him.
I found it hilarious that Hibbert was benched down the stretch, maybe that will light a fire under his ass? Doubt it. Dude's probably arranging some more flash mobs.
I don't think anyone said he was the greatest, but it's the contrast effect. He seemed a lot better than he was because we were comparing him to JOB. We also were in the honeymoon period.
I'd say that a guy who learned from arguably one of the best basketball minds ever is better than a dude who learned from Jim O'Brien. Just my opinion.
I've got no faith in this team. Wouldn't be surprised if we suffer another loss tonight. Bucks always give us trouble in the Bradley Center, too. Scott Skiles has our number.
This Bucks team is going to give damn near every team in the league trouble...with the speed of our backcourt and the length of our frontcourt we are kind of an oddball squad that presents weird matchup problems..should be a good game tonight though
yep- the fact that when one of the worst defenders in the game is out there and you don't attack him every time is not good. i knew having no granger would be tough but- this is ridiculous. unless they get things together and quick- there aren't going to be any playoffs for the pacers. they are playing some of the worst basketball in the league right now.
i expect collison to torch us friday.
in fact, i looked at the rest of november's schedule and there are several games where even if our opponents take us lightly, we will likely lose.
i see 3 possible wins remaining this month. at washington on the 19th, home against the hornets and the 30th against the kings.
i know the lakers have struggled but it is in l.a. and if they are going to have a bad game and win, they are still likely to beat a dysfunctional pacer squad. by the time danny gets back (IF he gets back this year) it may be too late to even matter considering it will be a month before he is in playing shape again.
Vogel's not going to survive the season. Danny Grangers our best player, but theres no way we should be this bad without him. I didn't expect us to be a contender with DG injured, but we're playing the worst basketball I've seen in years.
Collison would be having a poor year on this team in this offense plain and simple. NOLA had a system better suited for Collison and so does Dallas. Chalk it up to a bad coach folks. It's still JOB ball, the offense (at least offensive output) seriously looks a lot like O'Brien's right before he got fired. The games aren't even entertaining to watch anymore, I've actually put schoolwork over them, I'd rather do something productive. Why waste 2 hours of my time? I'm starting to think that Danny couldn't help this team.
We have the players, but the wrong system. These guys don't fit in this bullshit we call an offense at all.
Yep. It's a nice time to be living in Bloomington.
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