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#1 ·
Since there isn't always gamedays, I thought I'd make this thread so we have a place we can talk about the games if there isn't another thread to post in.

Anyone see last nights game? I missed it. First thing to that popped out at me when I looked at the box score is it looks like the combo of Hibbert, West and Hansbrough are still rebounding amazingly well. Only 3 games in but a nice sign so far.

Rough night for George going 0-4. He get locked down, or just have a bad game?
 
#607 ·
It happens. If you were to just watch what he did in Indy then it would be hard to think hes a good passer.

Back in Tinsleys prime years here he was allowed to hold onto the ball and look to set the play. Ever since then its been dribbling to the 3 point line, and then passing around looking for someone in a spot to iso.

In some aspects I like it since it gets everyone involved, but its also why we never have a big scorer or someone who racks up assists. We're 27th in the league in apg right now which shouldn't surprise anyone.
 
#608 ·
And we'll just have to agree to disagree on Hibbert. From my center the biggest thing I want is him protecting the rim and making people worry that they'll get the ball spiked back into their face.

He gets lit up when he plays Cousins, but that's the only guy who sticks out to me as a guy who always gets the better of the matchup.

Now Roys offense this year...... yea, that's horrible. Somethings wrong. I just hope the coaching staff can help him figure it out, because he's playing like shit on offense.
 
#609 ·
I want him to protect the rim as well, but I wish he was faster and stronger... basically just more athletic. It really hurts him at times when he gets a foul because he couldn't rotate fast enough. His foul problems can really hurt us, and it just makes Vogel look down the bench even more, which is what we don't want. Boozer and Noah consistently bend him over and take advantage of him, as well. They seem to love that matchup.

On offense, it almost looks like he's trying some new shots. I've seen a different type of hook shot from him this year, I don't know why. His hook shot was fine last year. His lower body strength really kills him, a lot of guys have figured out that if you just push him out farther from the basket he's rendered basically useless. Dude's a robot only knows how to do certain things on a certain spot, you move him from that spot and he can't figure out what to do different so he just goes for the hook and bricks it.
 
#610 ·
I can't really argue that. Hes by no means a perfect defender, and his lack of strength is always apparent.

At the end of the day I think his defensive strengths outweigh his deficiencies, and make him one of the better defensive 5's in the league.
 
#619 ·
From what I've seen from Collison he's definitely not a traditional pass first point guard, his game seems to rely on his speed and scoring ability moreso than setting up others. That being said, I don't think he's a bad passer by any means. He's not Rubio, but he's a perfectly adequate guy to have running the point out there.
 
#620 ·
Yep. He's pretty adequate. I'd say he's a below average starter in just about every aspect except his speed on offense, and as a reserve he's above average in everything except defense. He probably has better court vision and passing skills than most reserves, but worse than most starters.
 
#621 ·
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...tar-center-roy-hibbert-avoided-becoming-stiff

The Roy Hibbert Project
How the Indiana Pacers' All-Star center avoided becoming a stiff


"He doesn't get near enough credit for the player he is," an opposing scout told me at the Milwaukee game. "He's clearly one of the most skilled centers in the league." Hibbert's success is partly the result of being in the right league at the right time, but it's also the result of a late-developing but now-obsessive work ethic, which he's channeled toward improving his game and tinkering with his body to maximize his lone natural gift: height.

About two hours before that game against the Bucks, Hibbert walked onto the floor in a near-empty Bankers Life Fieldhouse and began the game-day routine required to keep a 7-foot-2 body running. A young and athletic team, the Pacers need less of the daily body maintenance you'll find among older squads, whose players have creakier joints. But while teammates hoisted jumpers and joked during impromptu games of one-on-one, Hibbert wandered out to half court alone.

He began by walking across the floor with varied pace and gait. He then moved on to leg lunges and toe touches and other stretches that are simple to most but, just a few years ago, would have been nearly impossible for Hibbert. Ten minutes passed before he finally picked up a basketball. He moved to the post and started with hook shots — five from the left block, five from the right block, and five from the middle — before assistant coach Brian Shaw stepped in to defend, fouling Hibbert on every touch with no fear of repercussions.

...

his year's presumptive no. 1 draft pick, Anthony Davis, famously underwent a growth spurt after beginning his high school career as a guard. While Davis's growth may have been particularly dramatic and late, his developmental pattern is common among elite big men. Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, and Tim Duncan all went through a similar process. Hibbert, however, was different. As a third-grader, he was forced to play in a league with older kids because of his size. By age 12, he stood 6-foot-8. "I regret that I never learned how to play on the perimeter," he says. "If I have a kid who's big like me, I want him to learn those perimeter skills."

...

Cut to 2004, Hibbert's first year at Georgetown. In an early fall workout, Hibbert lay prostrate in the weight room, watched by strength coach Mike Hill. He'd hit the ground to bang out a few push-ups, but a problem soon became clear: Hibbert couldn't do one. So while women's soccer and lacrosse players looked on, Hill straddled the freshman big man, reached down, and grabbed him by the sides, pulling him up and pushing him down while Hibbert struggled to pitch in. "It was humiliating," Hibbert says. "All these girls are watching — they can do push-ups but I can't." Not only could Hibbert not do a push-up, he couldn't bend his knees enough to do a single squat, even without holding weights.

That's not all. "He couldn't run," says Boston Celtics forward Jeff Green, who was part of the same Georgetown recruiting class as Hibbert.3 "He was pigeon-toed, and he had these size 18 shoes, so he was just tripping over himself trying to get up and down the court." (Says Hill: "It was more of a waddle than a run.") But in the half court, Green says, "he was a load." Big, with good defensive timing and a soft offensive touch, Hibbert was capable of scoring when he got the ball down low. But this was the Big East, a league stacked with elite athletes. As long as Hibbert was incapable of passing a middle school fitness test, he wouldn't have an impact.
Old article so I'm not sure who all has read it, but it's extremely good. Can't believe that Hibbert was 6'8'' when he was 12 and he couldn't do a single pushup. Now he's doing things like this:



Really hope he starts playing well consistently, we need him.
 
#628 ·
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/...usts-deng-bulls-late-with-law-of-verticality/

CHICAGO – Tom Thibodeau called it a train wreck. Frank Vogel, though, took the high road, so to speak, talking about the collision near the basket, near the end of the Indiana Pacers’ 80-76 victory over Chicago at the United Center, as a “fundamental of verticality.”

It just so happened that Pacers center Roy Hibbert, exercising his verticality, sent Bulls forward Luol Deng into a position of horizontality.

Here’s the situation: Chicago trailed 78-76 with 14.1 seconds left. Deng passed inbounds to Joakim Noah, then cut backdoor on Paul George and received a pass from the Bulls center. Hibbert hurried a couple of steps across the paint to meet Deng to the right of the rim. Deng was airborne and Hibbert went up. Straight up, arms extended.

Bang! Serious body contact but no whistle. Deng went down as the crowd at United Center roared. Thibodeau threw up his arms. Hibbert wasn’t looking for a charge and didn’t get one, despite Deng’s leading elbow, but he somehow got a blocked shot. David West grabbed the ball and was fouled. Sank them both, game over.

“He’s the biggest reason why we lead the league in field-goal defense,” Vogel said a few minutes later. “He’s the best in the league at exercising the fundamental of verticality. Using his legs, getting off his feet and making a legal defensive play and earning a no-call.

“You’re allowed to jump straight up, no matter where you are, and absorb contact. When he learned that and went away from trying to draw charges like he was earlier in his career, he went from not being able to stay on the court to being one of the best defensive centers in the NBA.”

George, the best player on the floor with 34 points, said he didn’t mean to lose Deng but added: “Roy told me to send him into him. I knew I had a big back there, one of the best bigs in the league.”

Thibodeau, who vented at the officials without penalty for what little time remained, saw something different.
“In my eyes, he got wiped out,” the Bulls coach said. “I did not get an explanation. He had a layup. It was a train wreck. I’m not going to put it on the officials. A tough call went against us. We still have to get it done.”


Knowing the law of verticality and getting it enforced in the heat of the moment, on the road, might be two different things. But Vogel said he never was worried.

“It’s a legal defensive play that the refs have been honoring throughout the league with all big men,” the Pacers coach said. “It’s made the game a better game. Less guys are trying to draw charges and fall on the ground underneath athletes.”

What matters for Indiana is that one big guy is doing less of that, after seeking out charges his first couple seasons.

“Nah, I don’t take charges,” Hibbert said. “I used to, but [former Pacers big man] Jeff Foster told me it messed his back up and shaved a couple years off his career. So nah, I’m a 7-footer, I’m going to try to block a shot at the rim.”

Hibbert, who is well-known for his intensive work in the summers, focused a lot on defense with the goal of being honored for it -– for the first time -– by the league’s coaches when this season ends.

“I’m always around the rim,” Hibbert said, ” touching the man I’m guarding and still getting back. Y’know, 7-foot-2 centers from Georgetown, we always play defense.”

Hibbert didn’t need to wag a finger to make the Dikembe Mutombo connection. He isn’t quite there yet, but he is averaging 3.1 blocks (compared to 2.0 last season) and this was his 12th consecutive game with at least two rejections. The Pacers began the night No. 1, holding teams to 40.8 percent shooting, then improved by limiting Chicago to 38.4.

Said Hibbert: “That’s my staple. If my offense isn’t going, I always have to play defense. That’s not gonna slack.”
 
#629 ·
There's been quite a few times where its been a huge play for us. I always expect them to blow the whistle and never do. Its a legal play, but you all know how much some refs love to call any contact.

Hopefully they keep having it as a no call.
 
#631 ·
I'd try to slam Lance but hes had times where hes at the very least grown on me a little. I think for players like him who need to get hot and stay in the game, Vogels coaching system makes it tough to have that break out game a young guy like him needs.

Just look at Hansbrough. He comes in today and turns the whole pace of the game around, and Vogel thanks him by sending him to the bench and not bringing him back in until way later in the game. We're above .500 finally so I won't slam Frank tonight, but its frustrating me and I assume its frustrating everyone else.
 
#632 ·
I haven't been able to watch the past few games, but I see we're the Central Division leaders right now and we're over .500, which are both great considering how poor the season started out. We should be able to pretty easily win the Central Division and therefore the 4th seed this year.

And Hibbert had another terrible shooting night. 3-13? I can't believe a 7'2" guy is shooting under 40% still this season. At least he's been blocking some shots.
 
#633 ·
Its strange because when you see him around the net, the shots that go in looked like the same old smooth Roy, and the ones that don't he looks rushed, or tries too much. He also tries a few mid range shots these days that I just hate seeing.
 
#636 ·
I think Hibbert'll get it together and him and George should be enough to keep you guys up there. I'm reluctant to trust the Bucks, but I hear you on them - they look really good when they're going well.

I expect the Bulls to end up around 45-47 wins or so, probably won't be enough to get the division but a lot hinges on when Rose comes back and how well he plays. It's at least better than a couple of years ago when the division wasn't all that competitive.
 
#637 ·
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=dallasmavericks&id=4693073&city=dallas

Let’s just say Darren Collison didn’t do anything in Los Angeles to convince Rick Carlisle that it was a bad idea to give away the point guard’s starting job.

A moment early in the fourth quarter illustrated why the Mavs can’t trust Collison to run their team. His sloppy, careless pass was easily intercepted by Matt Barnes, leading to a fast-break opportunity for the Clippers that Barnes finished with a layup.

Carlisle responded by calling a timeout. The reason he wanted the break was to bench Collison, who was replaced by Dominique Jones with the Mavs trailing by 21 points.

Collison got back off the bench for garbage time. He committed another turnover on his first possession after checking back into the game.

Collison padded his point total during garbage time, but his line in the box score was still butt ugly: eight points, two assists, two rebounds, four fouls and five turnovers in 18 minutes. The Mavs were outscored by 24 with him on the floor, the worst plus-minus of any player.

By contrast, Fisher was the only Mav who finished with a positive plus-minus. Dallas outscored the Clippers by two points in Fisher’s 25 minutes, with the 38-year-old point guard scoring 15 points on 5-of-11 shooting.


 
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