Gonzo

Honestly that's about all Vogel could do, it's not like he's going to play Pendergraph.

Hansbrough/Mahinmi is a huge upgrade, and Mahinmi/Hibbert will be fun to watch.

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R-Star

He sat Hibbert and to a lesser extent West way too much in the playoffs though. He kept his rotation minutes going like it was the regular season.

I like Vogel, but he's still got a lot to learn.

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Gonzo

Yeah his rotations really pissed me off, but I'm not really sure of Hibbert's long term endurance.

West was definitely not in game shape most of last season, but with a full offseason to dedicate to something other than rehabbing his knee, I'm sure he's a lot more in shape coming into this season.

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R-Star

Hibbert cut down a lot on weight so I just don't get it. I started watching in the playoffs to see if he was pouring sweat, breathing heavy, or hunched over with his hands on his knees or anything like that and never saw it.


I mean to me, its the playoffs. You don't rest your allstar big in the playoffs, you ride him into the ground. He'll have an offseason to catch his breath.


Guess its not something I'll have to get so angry about this year since I wont see a pony tail coming off the bench anytime Hibbert needs a break.

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Gonzo

Cheers. That might be the thing we have to look forward to most this season. Have fun Minnesota.

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Knick Killer

**** you guys, I'm going to really miss Loooooou!

But in all seriousness, Mahinmi is one of the most underrated acquisitions this offseason. We desperately needed a true backup center. And personally, I had no problem losing Collison. Loved that he was a UCLA guy, but he gave me a lot of headaches.

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clownskull

what bugged me most about vogel and the substitution patterns was how he would rest all the starters and go all bench. our starters actually outscored miami's. it was when the all-bench lineup came in where we would see our 9-12 point leads quickly disappear and in like 4 minutes that lead was now a deficit.
thing is- he didn't seem to figure this out. he kept trying this routine even though it was quickly proven not to work well. hopefully he made note of mistakes like that and we ease the rotations more gradually this time.

Gonzo

I like Granger, but it's looking like we probably should have gotten rid of him at some time. Sounds like its an injury that won't go away with rest..... Now we're stuck with a #1 option with a bum knee.

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Knick Killer

What could have we gotten for Granger that would keep us as a Top 3 team in the East? For years people have wanted us to get rid of him but at the end of the day, we wouldn't of gotten anything of equal value.

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R-Star

Agreed. I don't think we would have ever got anything that would have been more than a lateral move for us.

Realistically we would have needed to trade him for 3 or a 2 and move George to the 3. Either way no ones giving up a step up from Granger in that deal.

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Gonzo

Might be good for Psycho-T to have his brother on the team, dude seems like a loner.

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Pacers Fan

Yeh, but it seems like Ben is going to spending most of his time in Fort Wayne when George Hill is healthy. I definitely don't mind having Ben on the roster. It should keep Tyler in good spirits, and Ben had a solid game in the preseason. I might've rather had Sundiata Gaines, but I'm glad we're at least keeping a 15th player.

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R-Star

Ben Hansbrough sucks. Unless Tyler starts playing like he did in 2010-2011, I don' want to spend too much time wasting a roster spot on a guy who probably shouldn't be in the NBA.

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Gonzo

In case you guys missed this...

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Gonzo

Danny Granger out indefinitely according to Pacers Facebook page.

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