R-Star

I'm going to punch this team in the face.

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R-Star

Obviously we're a worse team without Granger, but we're supposedly deep enough, and talented enough to win games without him.

We're sitting at 500, so I guess we're doing just that, but I don't expect blow outs.


The Spurs didn't beat us, they took us to the wood shed and treated us like we were a JV team. That's not supposed to happen. Hibbert needs to step the **** up. 2 points and 5 rebounds?

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Gonzo

I just don't understand how the guys can work all offseason and look worse than they did at many points last season. I don't care if we lose, but every game this year has been ugly. It's like these guys forgot how to play basketball when Danny Granger left.

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Gonzo

Sifted through the political bullshit to find this from Pacers Facebook page.

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Pacers Fan

Outstanding. 3 months + the time it always takes Granger to get his shot back + the time it takes him to get in shape means that he should be in good form come playoff time. ****. I guess this is really Paul George's time to show us something.

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Indeed.

R-Star

Its upsetting, but if he's back to 100% for playoff time I'm happy.

Lets just hope this team gets its act together and makes it without him. 2-2 isn't bad, but the way we gave up to the Spurs is frustrating.

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R-Star

Yea, its a little strange. Its not like Granger ever dominated the ball, so I don't know why they're so lost out there on the court.

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Luke

Who is? Certainly not Roy Hibbert or any of the guards. I guess I could see David West but there's not a whole lot separating those guys from what I can tell.

Then again if all goes well in Indy neither of these guys will be the best player in the near future, Paul George will be. Wishful thinking, but that kid is talented.

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Formerly VanillaPrice

R-Star

The Pacers function more like a mid 2000's Pistons team. I mean, was there an inarguable best player on the Pistons back then? I don't really think so. I'd say Chauncy and Rip were about equal to the offense, Sheed was valuable on both ends, and Wallace was shutting people down and grabbing a ton of boards. You couldn't really pin point a guy who was "the guy" for them.


Thats how Pacers fans have always viewed this current team, although I think we're starting to realize Danny was a lot more important than we ever realized.

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Knick Killer

Great opporunity for Paul George but this is terrible for the team overall obviously. Could work out okay though if we squeeze into the playoffs as the 7th seed and play Boston first round.

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Gonzo

Last 10 possessions last night:

Missed 23-footer.
Missed 20-footer.
Blocked shot at rim.
Turnover.
Missed 26-footer.
Missed 22-footer.
Turnover.
Missed 7-footer.
Missed 23-footer.
Turnover.

One shot under 20 feet, is this the coaches fault or the players?

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R-Star

I honestly don't know who to blame. Roy has played soft as hell for long stretches, George hasn't performed as well as he should offensively, our bench hasn't been as impressive as any of us expected..... the list goes on and on.


We really need to get our shit together if we're going to make the playoffs.

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Gonzo

Gerald Green falls asleep, shoulda had Lance in there, eh R-Star?

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Pacers Fan

Isn't that the point in the game where Sam Young should've been in? It's really frustrating having 3 completely incompetent perimeter players on defense in Augustin, Stephenson, and Green. And they all see significant minutes. When you add that Hibbert and West look lost rotating and neither can hedge or switch a pick and roll effectively, you have a bad recipe for defense. It's almost like this team is 20 years too late. In a league where slow Centers are fading away, it's really tough having two slow-footed big men who seem allergic to rebounding.

I'm not sure the problem here is as simple as Granger or Vogel.

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Gonzo

Ugh Sam Young. But yeah Hibbert is too slow, he really needs help. I wonder if he's in game shape yet, hopefully not.

I think the only upside so far is we've only played 1 home game... We probably would've won that game last night and the one in Atlanta if they were at home. We've been overlooking that part of the problem, we played bad at times on the road last year. Good road play comes partly from experience, but it would be nice to see a little bit of this Gold Swagger PS&E has been advertising.

Btw, George Hill was amazing last night, we really need him to look to score right now considering Granger is out. If he can do it consistently, it will only help Hibbert and West on the block/elbow.

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