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Old 11-13-2012, 04:50 PM   #496 (permalink)
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Raptors lost a Triple OT game last night and didn't arrive into Indiana until 2:30AM and yet they are still managing to play with way more energy than we are.
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That has to be the most embarrassing loss in years. No excuse to lose to an average team that just came off a triple OT game the night before.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:14 AM   #498 (permalink)
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**** this team. And specifically, **** 3 people involved in these losses.

**** Lance Stephenson.
**** Frank Vogel for playing Lance Stephenson and hardly even trying Augustin.
**** Roy Hibber for playing like a backup caliber big man.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:46 AM   #499 (permalink)
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I haven't seen enough Pacers games this season, but it seems like Lance is one of our bright spots. He's not a ball-stopper anymore, but he's also not incredibly timid. He picks his spots well, gives us another ball handler when George Hill is on the floor, and is leading our team in field goal and three-point percentage. The downside is that he's still a terrible defender, but no worse than Gerald Green or DJ Augustin. And I thought Darren Collison was bad on D, but man is Augustin atrocious. I'm assuming the reason he isn't playing much is because he's timid, shooting terribly this season, and he provides nothing on defense. He's a great passer, but that only gets you so far.

But yes, for now, **** Roy Hibbert. He's on one of his month-long emotional periods. The guy is just incapable of playing under any pressure whatsoever.

This team is so bad. It's bad enough that we lost to a poor team coming off a triple-OT game the night before, but what's even worse is that this might not even be our worst loss this year.

Our defense is coming along as well as it can considering how bad Stephenson, Augustin, and Green are, but man is our offense terrible. Frank Vogel's whole simple offense, Hubie Brown style might've worked last year and during Vogel's interim period, but man, we should actually have an offense right now that's more complex than a high school team.
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Lance is not a bright spot.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:27 AM   #501 (permalink)
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If we're in the basement of the East mid-season, should Vogel be fired?


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That's a tough call. If we do, aren't we right back to where we were before he took over?

I expected to take a step forward this year, and while Granger is injured, it still looks like we took a step back even if he was healthy on the team.

I don't want to wait until mid season for the team to say "Oh, well this isn't working." I want a change now. Not a coaching change, but we need to shake this team up. Roy Hibbert is asleep, Paul George is proving not to be the #1 option we hoped he'd be, and the bench which was supposed to be a strength has turned into a weakness.


We need a shakeup.
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Lance Stephenson is the least of our problems. I'd rather have him in than Augustin, D.J. has not gelled well yet with this team at all.

Our offense is horrible, one of the worst in the league. We gave Vogel a pass last year with the whole shortened training camp and preseason, but this year he gets a good amount of time and it is still just as bad. I really think this guy is just incapable of creating an offensive system that works with the players that we have. I'm afraid that he has a lot of JOB in him.

I found it hilarious that Hibbert was benched down the stretch, maybe that will light a fire under his ass? Doubt it. Dude's probably arranging some more flash mobs.
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Lance is not a bright spot.
As bad as everyone else is playing, he's a bright spot. Highest 3pt %? That's pretty good considering he only made like 3 points from behind the arc in his past two seasons. It shows he's actually working on his game compared to everyone else. He's the only guy that looks improved this year.
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As bad as everyone else is playing, he's a bright spot. Highest 3pt %? That's pretty good considering he only made like 3 points from behind the arc in his past two seasons. It shows he's actually working on his game compared to everyone else. He's the only guy that looks improved this year.
I'd say George Hill, and the overall play of George outside of his offense has been the bright spots for me.

Lance Stephenson stagnates the offense when hes on the floor. Have you guys not asked yourselves whats different about this time other than Granger being gone? Stephenson is playing over 20 minutes a game, and I bet if you could look it up, our scoring goes way down when hes on the floor.
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That's a tough call. If we do, aren't we right back to where we were before he took over?
Nope, because we would have Brian Shaw, one of the best assistants in the NBA and a guy who could have a head coaching job if he hadn't been ****ed over by the Lakers, or if he'd wanted to coach a bottom-dweller team.

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Or he's pouting in a hotel room.
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Just like we all said Vogel was the greatest after he took us to the playoffs his first half year?

Now everyone wants his head?


Sorry, I'm not willing to just assume someone with no head coach experience is going to do better.
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I'd say George Hill, and the overall play of George outside of his offense has been the bright spots for me.

Lance Stephenson stagnates the offense when hes on the floor. Have you guys not asked yourselves whats different about this time other than Granger being gone? Stephenson is playing over 20 minutes a game, and I bet if you could look it up, our scoring goes way down when hes on the floor.
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Our best +/- lineup is Hill-Stephenson-George-West-Hibbert. I'd argue he has the best +/- of anyone on the team if I could find the statistic.

He's shooting at a higher percentage than anyone on the team from the field and beyond the arc. He's also averaging just as many points as our highest paid player.
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Just like we all said Vogel was the greatest after he took us to the playoffs his first half year?

Now everyone wants his head?


Sorry, I'm not willing to just assume someone with no head coach experience is going to do better.
I don't think anyone said he was the greatest, but it's the contrast effect. He seemed a lot better than he was because we were comparing him to JOB. We also were in the honeymoon period.

I'd say that a guy who learned from arguably one of the best basketball minds ever is better than a dude who learned from Jim O'Brien. Just my opinion.
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Or he's pouting in a hotel room.
I read over on PD that he was crying on the bench. I don't believe it though.
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