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Old 11-30-2012, 05:18 PM   #556 (permalink)
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I think we'd be a lot better with Collison still on the team. Its too bad we couldn't have found a way to get Mahinmi without giving him up. Augustin has been a letdown for the most part.
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Didn't Collison get benched in Dallas because of his poor defense?
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Collison and I have something in common then.
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You're a good pass first point guard?
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:55 AM   #562 (permalink)
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You're a good pass first point guard?
Collison is far from a pass-first PG. He's a quick pick & roll PG with a good mid-range game and a timid scorer's mentality. His court vision is worse than a significant number of 2-guards. He's getting benched for Derek Fisher.
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Collison is far from a pass-first PG. He's a quick pick & roll PG with a good mid-range game and a timid scorer's mentality. His court vision is worse than a significant number of 2-guards. He's getting benched for Derek Fisher.
Oh, a post from you where you underrate Collison.


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By the way, there isn't one 2 guard in the league averaging more assists than Collison.
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By the way, there isn't one 2 guard in the league averaging more assists than Collison.
Are Mo Williams and Jeremy Lin pass-first PGs because they average more assists than Collison? Look how high Westbrook and Jeff Teague are. You can get assists without having good court vision.
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Are Mo Williams and Jeremy Lin pass-first PGs because they average more assists than Collison? Look how high Westbrook and Jeff Teague are. You can get assists without having good court vision.
Mo Will and Teague are good arguments. Both Lin and Westbrook play with elite level scorers, which gives them a plethora of assists that they don't deserve.
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Are Mo Williams and Jeremy Lin pass-first PGs because they average more assists than Collison? Look how high Westbrook and Jeff Teague are. You can get assists without having good court vision.
That would make sense if Collison got a ton of turnovers a game, but he doesn't.
It would also make sense if Collison jacked up the ball and took a ton of shots.... but he doesn't.


We've had this argument before, and you don't know what you're talking about.
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That would make sense if Collison got a ton of turnovers a game, but he doesn't.
It would also make sense if Collison jacked up the ball and took a ton of shots.... but he doesn't.


We've had this argument before, and you don't know what you're talking about.
That doesn't concern me. You're getting to be worse than EH.

I really don't care about this, though. Collison isn't on the team anymore, and we actually have a pass-first PG now in Augustin. Collison started off the year great, but he's really regressed yet again. He is what he is, a guy who should be a top 5-10 backup PG in the NBA, just like Augustin.

And yes, Collison doesn't turn the ball over or take a lot of shots. He's patient and waits for the good play. However, that doesn't mean he looks for the pass first or that he has good court vision. He can't see the floor because he's tiny and he doesn't have a very good handle, either, for such a small player. That's what limits him, and a lot of the time he's better off taking his mid-range jumpers instead trying to make plays for others, simply because he's not an effective playmaker outside the pick & roll. Kudos to Collison for playing towards his strengths. He knows what he is, too.

Yes, PR, that's very true, but that's still only Harden and Durant to pass the ball to for an easy basket. I mean, there's Chandler Parsons and Kevin Martin, but that's not much to work with. It is pretty nice to simply be able to swing the ball and get an assist, though.

As for other examples, Kemba Walker and AJ Price, somehow, are up there.
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He has a high assist number, low turnovers, and average shot attempts. For a point guard that speaks for itself.

Again, argue all you want, but you have no clue what you're talking about.


"He's small so it means he can't see the floor" are you kidding me? Rondo is an inch taller, that makes a huge difference?
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"He's small so it means he can't see the floor" are you kidding me? Rondo is an inch taller, that makes a huge difference?
Height is a predisposition to not being able to see the floor well. Look at Scottie Pippen, LBJ, Magic, etc. They could see over the entire defense and it worked wonders for them. That's just where it starts for Collison, though. Players like Rondo, Augustin, and a bunch others overcome that and run the floor well. In addition to height, some people just have poor peripheral vision. Collison plays like he has tunnel vision, so not only can he not see above the defense, like Rondo or Augustin (Rondo can, actually, because defenders play so far off him), but he also can't see what's going on around him. It's pretty simple.
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