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**R-Star** · 12-02-2012, 06:18 PM

No worries on that front bro.

**Gonzo** · 12-02-2012, 07:26 PM

If I was Canadian this would end poetically.

**Knick Killer** · 12-03-2012, 07:54 AM

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If I was Canadian this would end poetically.

You wish you were lucky enough to call yourself a Canadian.

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**Luke** · 12-03-2012, 09:13 AM

From what I've seen from Collison he's definitely not a traditional pass first point guard, his game seems to rely on his speed and scoring ability moreso than setting up others. That being said, I don't think he's a bad passer by any means. He's not Rubio, but he's a perfectly adequate guy to have running the point out there.

Pacers Fan · 12-03-2012, 11:42 AM

Yep. He's pretty adequate. I'd say he's a below average starter in just about every aspect except his speed on offense, and as a reserve he's above average in everything except defense. He probably has better court vision and passing skills than most reserves, but worse than most starters.

**Gonzo** · 12-03-2012, 03:42 PM

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...becoming-stiff

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The Roy Hibbert Project
How the Indiana Pacers' All-Star center avoided becoming a stiff

"He doesn't get near enough credit for the player he is," an opposing scout told me at the Milwaukee game. "He's clearly one of the most skilled centers in the league." Hibbert's success is partly the result of being in the right league at the right time, but it's also the result of a late-developing but now-obsessive work ethic, which he's channeled toward improving his game and tinkering with his body to maximize his lone natural gift: height.

About two hours before that game against the Bucks, Hibbert walked onto the floor in a near-empty Bankers Life Fieldhouse and began the game-day routine required to keep a 7-foot-2 body running. A young and athletic team, the Pacers need less of the daily body maintenance you'll find among older squads, whose players have creakier joints. But while teammates hoisted jumpers and joked during impromptu games of one-on-one, Hibbert wandered out to half court alone.

He began by walking across the floor with varied pace and gait. He then moved on to leg lunges and toe touches and other stretches that are simple to most but, just a few years ago, would have been nearly impossible for Hibbert. Ten minutes passed before he finally picked up a basketball. He moved to the post and started with hook shots — five from the left block, five from the right block, and five from the middle — before assistant coach Brian Shaw stepped in to defend, fouling Hibbert on every touch with no fear of repercussions.

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his year's presumptive no. 1 draft pick, Anthony Davis, famously underwent a growth spurt after beginning his high school career as a guard. While Davis's growth may have been particularly dramatic and late, his developmental pattern is common among elite big men. Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, and Tim Duncan all went through a similar process. Hibbert, however, was different. As a third-grader, he was forced to play in a league with older kids because of his size. By age 12, he stood 6-foot-8. "I regret that I never learned how to play on the perimeter," he says. "If I have a kid who's big like me, I want him to learn those perimeter skills."

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Cut to 2004, Hibbert's first year at Georgetown. In an early fall workout, Hibbert lay prostrate in the weight room, watched by strength coach Mike Hill. He'd hit the ground to bang out a few push-ups, but a problem soon became clear: Hibbert couldn't do one. So while women's soccer and lacrosse players looked on, Hill straddled the freshman big man, reached down, and grabbed him by the sides, pulling him up and pushing him down while Hibbert struggled to pitch in. "It was humiliating," Hibbert says. "All these girls are watching — they can do push-ups but I can't." Not only could Hibbert not do a push-up, he couldn't bend his knees enough to do a single squat, even without holding weights.

That's not all. "He couldn't run," says Boston Celtics forward Jeff Green, who was part of the same Georgetown recruiting class as Hibbert.3 "He was pigeon-toed, and he had these size 18 shoes, so he was just tripping over himself trying to get up and down the court." (Says Hill: "It was more of a waddle than a run.") But in the half court, Green says, "he was a load." Big, with good defensive timing and a soft offensive touch, Hibbert was capable of scoring when he got the ball down low. But this was the Big East, a league stacked with elite athletes. As long as Hibbert was incapable of passing a middle school fitness test, he wouldn't have an impact.

Old article so I'm not sure who all has read it, but it's extremely good. Can't believe that Hibbert was 6'8'' when he was 12 and he couldn't do a single pushup. Now he's doing things like this:

Really hope he starts playing well consistently, we need him.

**R-Star** · 12-04-2012, 11:00 AM

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Yep. He's pretty adequate. I'd say he's a below average starter in just about every aspect except his speed on offense, and as a reserve he's above average in everything except defense. He probably has better court vision and passing skills than most reserves, but worse than most starters.

A below average passer who's tied for 17 in assists and also has a great assist to turnover ration.

Yea, that makes a ton of sense.

**R-Star** · 12-04-2012, 07:34 PM

Nice win bros. Nice game from George, and I think Hibbert helped show he can be one of the premier defenders in the paint in this league.

**Gonzo** · 12-04-2012, 09:07 PM

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and I think Hibbert helped show he can be one of the premier defenders in the paint in this league.

I hope this isn't based on that one play he made in the end.

How about that cut from Stephenson and then the defensive play on Noah to prevent the oop?

**R-Star** · 12-05-2012, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

I hope this isn't based on that one play he made in the end.

How about that cut from Stephenson and then the defensive play on Noah to prevent the oop?

I only saw the second half of the game. Hibbert made some good plays from what I saw though.

Stephenson had some good plays. I'm glad the ball was in Wests hands when Lance made that cut otherwise he probably wouldn't have got the ball. I didn't like that foul on Brewer or whoever it was that got that baseball pass and Lance undercut him for the foul. But I'm not sure he could have done much else there. Just frustrating to foul late in a game with the score so close.

Nate Robinson really helped us win after he brought the Bulls back into it. Pretty sure it was tied game or we were up by 2 and in 2 consecutive plays Nate rushes the play just to shoot a quick 3 with 20 seconds left on the shot clock, and next play he throws a terrible pass out of bounds. The announcers were all "They're bringing in Hinrich for his defense." no, Thibs was benching Robinson for basically losing the game for the Bulls.

Good win though. I just want us to start moving past the .500 record and start making some headway here.

Its nice to see George string together a couple 30+ point games in a small stretch. I hope he learns some consistency this year.

**Gonzo** · 12-05-2012, 09:59 AM

I agree that Nate cost them the game, but he also got them back in the game when they down in the 4th.

**R-Star** · 12-05-2012, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

I agree that Nate cost them the game, but he also got them back in the game when they down in the 4th.

Yep. Little fella was on fire before those 2 bone headed plays. He scared the shit out of me for a few minutes because they got back in the game and completely stole momentum.

**Gonzo** · 12-05-2012, 11:38 AM

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/1...f-verticality/

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CHICAGO – Tom Thibodeau called it a train wreck. Frank Vogel, though, took the high road, so to speak, talking about the collision near the basket, near the end of the Indiana Pacers’ 80-76 victory over Chicago at the United Center, as a “fundamental of verticality.”

It just so happened that Pacers center Roy Hibbert, exercising his verticality, sent Bulls forward Luol Deng into a position of horizontality.

Here’s the situation: Chicago trailed 78-76 with 14.1 seconds left. Deng passed inbounds to Joakim Noah, then cut backdoor on Paul George and received a pass from the Bulls center. Hibbert hurried a couple of steps across the paint to meet Deng to the right of the rim. Deng was airborne and Hibbert went up. Straight up, arms extended.

Bang! Serious body contact but no whistle. Deng went down as the crowd at United Center roared. Thibodeau threw up his arms. Hibbert wasn’t looking for a charge and didn’t get one, despite Deng’s leading elbow, but he somehow got a blocked shot. David West grabbed the ball and was fouled. Sank them both, game over.

“He’s the biggest reason why we lead the league in field-goal defense,” Vogel said a few minutes later. “He’s the best in the league at exercising the fundamental of verticality. Using his legs, getting off his feet and making a legal defensive play and earning a no-call.

“You’re allowed to jump straight up, no matter where you are, and absorb contact. When he learned that and went away from trying to draw charges like he was earlier in his career, he went from not being able to stay on the court to being one of the best defensive centers in the NBA.”

George, the best player on the floor with 34 points, said he didn’t mean to lose Deng but added: “Roy told me to send him into him. I knew I had a big back there, one of the best bigs in the league.”

Thibodeau, who vented at the officials without penalty for what little time remained, saw something different.
“In my eyes, he got wiped out,” the Bulls coach said. “I did not get an explanation. He had a layup. It was a train wreck. I’m not going to put it on the officials. A tough call went against us. We still have to get it done.”

Knowing the law of verticality and getting it enforced in the heat of the moment, on the road, might be two different things. But Vogel said he never was worried.

“It’s a legal defensive play that the refs have been honoring throughout the league with all big men,” the Pacers coach said. “It’s made the game a better game. Less guys are trying to draw charges and fall on the ground underneath athletes.”

What matters for Indiana is that one big guy is doing less of that, after seeking out charges his first couple seasons.

“Nah, I don’t take charges,” Hibbert said. “I used to, but [former Pacers big man] Jeff Foster told me it messed his back up and shaved a couple years off his career. So nah, I’m a 7-footer, I’m going to try to block a shot at the rim.”

Hibbert, who is well-known for his intensive work in the summers, focused a lot on defense with the goal of being honored for it -– for the first time -– by the league’s coaches when this season ends.

“I’m always around the rim,” Hibbert said, ” touching the man I’m guarding and still getting back. Y’know, 7-foot-2 centers from Georgetown, we always play defense.”

Hibbert didn’t need to wag a finger to make the Dikembe Mutombo connection. He isn’t quite there yet, but he is averaging 3.1 blocks (compared to 2.0 last season) and this was his 12th consecutive game with at least two rejections. The Pacers began the night No. 1, holding teams to 40.8 percent shooting, then improved by limiting Chicago to 38.4.

Said Hibbert: “That’s my staple. If my offense isn’t going, I always have to play defense. That’s not gonna slack.”

**R-Star** · 12-05-2012, 11:51 AM

There's been quite a few times where its been a huge play for us. I always expect them to blow the whistle and never do. Its a legal play, but you all know how much some refs love to call any contact.

Hopefully they keep having it as a no call.

**Knick Killer** · 12-05-2012, 06:31 PM

Big win tonight against Portland to finally put us above .500. R-Stars boy Lance Stephenson was player of the game with 2 points in 23 minutes.

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12-03-2012, 09:13 AM	#619 (permalink)
Luke Go Dawgs Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 11,872 Rep Power: 4300832	Re: Pacers Daily Discussion From what I've seen from Collison he's definitely not a traditional pass first point guard, his game seems to rely on his speed and scoring ability moreso than setting up others. That being said, I don't think he's a bad passer by any means. He's not Rubio, but he's a perfectly adequate guy to have running the point out there. __________________ Formerly VanillaPrice

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Pacers Fan Legend Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bloomington, Indiana Age: 22 Posts: 16,412 Rep Power: 21474863	Re: Pacers Daily Discussion Yep. He's pretty adequate. I'd say he's a below average starter in just about every aspect except his speed on offense, and as a reserve he's above average in everything except defense. He probably has better court vision and passing skills than most reserves, but worse than most starters. __________________ Indeed.

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R-Star BBB.net Archivist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The village of Clive, bro Age: 30 Posts: 37,818 Rep Power: 21474884	Re: Pacers Daily Discussion Nice win bros. Nice game from George, and I think Hibbert helped show he can be one of the premier defenders in the paint in this league. __________________

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Gonzo King George Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Indiana Age: 22 Posts: 11,008 Rep Power: 15819679	Re: Pacers Daily Discussion I agree that Nate cost them the game, but he also got them back in the game when they down in the 4th. __________________

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R-Star BBB.net Archivist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The village of Clive, bro Age: 30 Posts: 37,818 Rep Power: 21474884	Re: Pacers Daily Discussion There's been quite a few times where its been a huge play for us. I always expect them to blow the whistle and never do. Its a legal play, but you all know how much some refs love to call any contact. Hopefully they keep having it as a no call. __________________

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