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Pacers Fan · 01-11-2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

I really like Paul George at the 3 spot, we've yet to see him play shooting guard (has he?) this year, but he is just so much faster than other small forwards out there it seems like a better matchup for us. Going to be interesting to see when Granger comes back where he fits in. Considering how difficult rotations are for Vogel, I wouldn't be surprised to see us drop a few games while he's experimenting.

Yep, exactly what I was thinking last night. I'll give Paul his due for improving over the summer, but switching to the 3 where he's quicker than everyone and doesn't have to worry about shorter players stripping him has definitely been a benefit. Even though we might start the game off with George/Granger at the 2/3, I wouldn't be surprised if Lance continued to get minutes and we slid Granger to the 4 in the 2nd quarter. Someone has to be the odd man out, and I'm hoping that doesn't have to be Granger this off season.

**R-Star** · 01-11-2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pacers Fan

Yep, exactly what I was thinking last night. I'll give Paul his due for improving over the summer, but switching to the 3 where he's quicker than everyone and doesn't have to worry about shorter players stripping him has definitely been a benefit. Even though we might start the game off with George/Granger at the 2/3, I wouldn't be surprised if Lance continued to get minutes and we slid Granger to the 4 in the 2nd quarter. Someone has to be the odd man out, and I'm hoping that doesn't have to be Granger this off season.

If you have to pick the odd man out between George, Granger and Stephenson, its a pretty damn easy pick.

If its only between George and Granger, thats when it gets difficult.

**Knick Killer** · 01-11-2013, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by R-Star

If you have to pick the odd man out between George, Granger and Stephenson, its a pretty damn easy pick.

If its only between George and Granger, thats when it gets difficult.

C'mon admit it...you're starting to love Lance Stephenson.

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**R-Star** · 01-11-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Knick Killer

C'mon admit it...you're starting to love Lance Stephenson.

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When he plays in the system and isn't trying Rucker moves, sure. As a reserve.

I don't like Lance as a starter. He isn't a good defender, and far too often he tries to insert himself offensively and it stifles us.

**Luke** · 01-11-2013, 11:41 AM

Paul George is awesome. Such a fun guy to watch.

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**Luke** · 01-11-2013, 11:42 AM

I also agree that he's a three.

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**Gonzo** · 01-12-2013, 12:40 PM

Not the end of the season yet, but take a look at this:

Team/year/Opponents FG%

1. San Antonio Spurs 1998-99 .402
2. New York Knicks 1998-99 .403
3. San Antonio Spurs 2003-04 .409
4. Miami Heat 1998-99 .411
5. San Antonio Spurs 1997-98 .411
6. Indiana Pacers 2012-13 .412
7. Houston Rockets 2003-04 .412
7. Detroit Pistons 2003-04 .413

Thanks to PacersDigest
http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...in-NBA-history

**R-Star** · 01-12-2013, 01:19 PM

I want to get excited but it feels like jinxing the team.

I'd say George and Hibbert both merit serious consideration for All-Defense teams this year.

**Luke** · 01-12-2013, 01:30 PM

Is Roy still playing doo doo offense? I caught they're televised game the other night at a party but I was drunk and not paying that close of attention. This team is going to be interesting if granger comes back healthy and Vogel can make him and George play well together. I will say that I do not understand the drama around lance Stephenson though, he does not look special by any means.

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**R-Star** · 01-12-2013, 01:35 PM

Lance sucks.

As far as Hibberts offense, its been terrible. His defense has been arguable as league best for big men in my opinion, but his offense is also almost league worst for starting big men. He's shown a few games where he goes off like a #1 offensive weapon, then he follows it up with like 4 point games. Its upsetting. Supposedly he has a wrist injury stemming from the playoffs last year.

As far as Granger, I might be paranoid but I'm afraid we get worse when he comes back, due to it screwing with chemistry. He'll then be blamed for us losing and be traded in the offseason.

**Luke** · 01-12-2013, 01:43 PM

From what I understand Roy's offense has sucked because he's been trying to do too much and get fancy with mid range shots, so a wrist injury would make sense. And I'm sure they'll struggle initially but it's on Vogel to try and implement his two best offensive players. I will say that Roy isn't better defensively than a guy like chandler, but he's always been a good defender from what I've seen.

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Pacers Fan · 01-12-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke

Is Roy still playing doo doo offense? I caught they're televised game the other night at a party but I was drunk and not paying that close of attention. This team is going to be interesting if granger comes back healthy and Vogel can make him and George play well together. I will say that I do not understand the drama around lance Stephenson though, he does not look special by any means.

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Lance is pretty mediocre, but that's about all I wanted out of him. He's improved a lot and can hit the open 3, break down almost anyone in the NBA, and act as a pseudo-PG when he's on the floor, which are all helpful. Unfortunately, he still has a poor basketball IQ, is slow, and plays poor defense. He doesn't try to do too much anymore, so sometimes it's nice to have another guy on the floor with Hill who can handle the ball and make solid passes.

Hibbert's no Chandler or Dwight Howard on defense, but he's damn good at everything except defending the pick & roll.

**Gonzo** · 01-12-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacers Fan

Lance is pretty mediocre, but that's about all I wanted out of him. He's improved a lot and can hit the open 3, break down almost anyone in the NBA, and act as a pseudo-PG when he's on the floor, which are all helpful. Unfortunately, he still has a poor basketball IQ, is slow, and plays poor defense. He doesn't try to do too much anymore, so sometimes it's nice to have another guy on the floor with Hill who can handle the ball and make solid passes.

Hibbert's no Chandler or Dwight Howard on defense, but he's damn good at everything except defending the pick & roll.

Lance is the fastest guy on our team with the ball, so he's anything but slow. Maybe slow footed on defense or slow mentally, but dude speeds on fast breaks.

He's also one of the few guys on our team that can create his own shot, I just hope he doesn't go full-on Barbosa mode when he gets back to the bench squad.

He's pretty mediocre and takes too many shots probably, but I've always kind of gone with Bird's word that he's the most talented player on this team. He also is still in contact with Bird, so that's a good thing. Didn't expect anything from him this season, so I've been pleasantly surprised. Having low expectations leads to pleasant surprises even if he does do some bone headed things. Not really sure why he gets so much flak from everyone else, but I guess they want him to be as good as a Dwayne Wade or Kobe Bryant. We'll take all the points we can get from him, and he's shooting better than anyone else on the team so I'd say he's playing decent.

Roy Hibbert is one of the most frustrating players in the game today I think. I have not seen many good offensive moves from him at all on the block this year, strange considering we saw so many last year.

Here's some more info on the injury I found, I couldn't remember if I dreamt it up or it was real.

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Missing three out of every five shots you take isn’t good for anyone, but it brings some unwanted attention to the recent recipient of a $58-million dollar contract. The spotlight gets even brighter when that players’ team is missing it’s leading scorer and struggling offensively.

Saturday, Mike Wells of the Indianapolis Star shed some light on what is likely a contributing factor in Hibbert’s struggles, when he reported that the Georgetown product had a wrist injury,

“I haven’t had any power in my right wrist,” Hibbert said. “So my hand has been basically a stub.”

The injury traces back to last May’s playoff series vs. the Heat, but the severity of the issue was only determined recently.

The team’s medical staff determined Dec. 14 that there was a significant problem with his wrist.
“It doesn’t hurt. It just has weakness,” Hibbert said. “Things were just out of whack. I was getting the shots I wanted with my right hand, but a few would go completely off track. So my touch was basically gone. That’s why I was shooting more shots with my left hand in the post.”

Hibbert has been getting treatment on his wrist on a regular basis since the injury was revealed.
After spending most of the season shooting below 40 percent from the field, Hibbert went into Saturday having shot at least 50 percent from the field in four of the past five games.

http://www.indystar.com/article/2012...s-wrist-injury

Thanks for waiting until after your contract signing to tell us buddy!

**R-Star** · 01-12-2013, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

Lance is the fastest guy on our team with the ball, so he's anything but slow. Maybe slow footed on defense or slow mentally, but dude speeds on fast breaks.

He's also one of the few guys on our team that can create his own shot, I just hope he doesn't go full-on Barbosa mode when he gets back to the bench squad.

He's pretty mediocre and takes too many shots probably, but I've always kind of gone with Bird's word that he's the most talented player on this team. He also is still in contact with Bird, so that's a good thing. Didn't expect anything from him this season, so I've been pleasantly surprised. Having low expectations leads to pleasant surprises even if he does do some bone headed things. Not really sure why he gets so much flak from everyone else, but I guess they want him to be as good as a Dwayne Wade or Kobe Bryant. We'll take all the points we can get from him, and he's shooting better than anyone else on the team so I'd say he's playing decent.

Roy Hibbert is one of the most frustrating players in the game today I think. I have not seen many good offensive moves from him at all on the block this year, strange considering we saw so many last year.

Here's some more info on the injury I found, I couldn't remember if I dreamt it up or it was real.

http://www.indystar.com/article/2012...s-wrist-injury

Thanks for waiting until after your contract signing to tell us buddy!

No kidding.

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Originally Posted by Roy Hibbert

"Yea, my wrist has been ****ed since the playoffs with Miami, didn't you know? Oh that's right, I didn't tell anyone because I wanted a max contract, that's right I forgot."

Pacers Fan · 01-12-2013, 03:11 PM

Yeh, I meant he's slow laterally. Lance is probably faster with the ball than he is without it.

01-11-2013, 11:41 AM	#770 (permalink)
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01-11-2013, 11:42 AM	#771 (permalink)
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01-12-2013, 12:40 PM	#772 (permalink)
Gonzo King George Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Indiana Age: 22 Posts: 11,017 Rep Power: 15819679	Re: Pacers Daily Discussion Not the end of the season yet, but take a look at this: Team/year/Opponents FG% 1. San Antonio Spurs 1998-99 .402 2. New York Knicks 1998-99 .403 3. San Antonio Spurs 2003-04 .409 4. Miami Heat 1998-99 .411 5. San Antonio Spurs 1997-98 .411 6. Indiana Pacers 2012-13 .412 7. Houston Rockets 2003-04 .412 7. Detroit Pistons 2003-04 .413 Thanks to PacersDigest http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...in-NBA-history __________________

01-12-2013, 01:19 PM	#773 (permalink)
R-Star BBB.net Archivist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The village of Clive, bro Age: 30 Posts: 37,909 Rep Power: 21474884	Re: Pacers Daily Discussion I want to get excited but it feels like jinxing the team. I'd say George and Hibbert both merit serious consideration for All-Defense teams this year. __________________

01-12-2013, 01:30 PM	#774 (permalink)
Luke Go Dawgs Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 11,903 Rep Power: 4300832	Is Roy still playing doo doo offense? I caught they're televised game the other night at a party but I was drunk and not paying that close of attention. This team is going to be interesting if granger comes back healthy and Vogel can make him and George play well together. I will say that I do not understand the drama around lance Stephenson though, he does not look special by any means. Sent from my iPhone using Verticalsports.com Free App __________________ Formerly VanillaPrice

01-12-2013, 01:35 PM	#775 (permalink)
R-Star BBB.net Archivist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The village of Clive, bro Age: 30 Posts: 37,909 Rep Power: 21474884	Re: Pacers Daily Discussion Lance sucks. As far as Hibberts offense, its been terrible. His defense has been arguable as league best for big men in my opinion, but his offense is also almost league worst for starting big men. He's shown a few games where he goes off like a #1 offensive weapon, then he follows it up with like 4 point games. Its upsetting. Supposedly he has a wrist injury stemming from the playoffs last year. As far as Granger, I might be paranoid but I'm afraid we get worse when he comes back, due to it screwing with chemistry. He'll then be blamed for us losing and be traded in the offseason. __________________

01-12-2013, 01:43 PM	#776 (permalink)
Luke Go Dawgs Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 11,903 Rep Power: 4300832	From what I understand Roy's offense has sucked because he's been trying to do too much and get fancy with mid range shots, so a wrist injury would make sense. And I'm sure they'll struggle initially but it's on Vogel to try and implement his two best offensive players. I will say that Roy isn't better defensively than a guy like chandler, but he's always been a good defender from what I've seen. Sent from my iPhone using Verticalsports.com Free App __________________ Formerly VanillaPrice

01-12-2013, 03:11 PM	#780 (permalink)
Pacers Fan Legend Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bloomington, Indiana Age: 22 Posts: 16,413 Rep Power: 21474863	Re: Pacers Daily Discussion Yeh, I meant he's slow laterally. Lance is probably faster with the ball than he is without it. __________________ Indeed.

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