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Zei_Zao_LS · 12-31-2012, 11:18 AM

That is a pretty shitty offer, all funny anecdotes aside.

**El Shaqtus** · 12-31-2012, 11:20 AM

That's a Kevin type reply.

Impressive in its depth.

**Porn Player** · 12-31-2012, 11:21 AM

He wants a PG. Ozzy is a nice PG, it was worth a shot.

fsecreast · 12-31-2012, 11:37 AM

All offers from Porn, BJ, and especially Kenneth are automatically sent to my trash.

**Porn Player** · 12-31-2012, 11:39 AM

Meh. I always send out offers that generally upgrade my team, then I work that point and always respond to counter offers. I don't get why people get so up in arms about offers they don't like. It's weird to me.

**Dissonance** · 12-31-2012, 11:46 AM

Sending those types of offers though turn people off right away usually.

Start with something logical or a feeler.

**Porn Player** · 12-31-2012, 11:52 AM

I'll work on it.

**BlakeJesus** · 12-31-2012, 11:53 AM

I generally don't send actual offers, I ask if you like one of my players or I tell you that I like one of your players. Unless there's a clear cut offer to make I don't bother because a good portion of the time I don't really know what people want because trade blocks are mostly useless. Everybody has 4 of their bottom 8 players on the block and they are asking for 1st rounders or an upgrade somewhere, it's 90% dreamer material.

I've noticed some people don't like the inquiries, so if that makes you want to trash it so be it, but it's the easiest way to deal from my perspective.

**El Shaqtus** · 12-31-2012, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlakeJesus

I generally don't send actual offers, I ask if you like one of my players or I tell you that I like one of your players. Unless there's a clear cut offer to make I don't bother because a good portion of the time I don't really know what people want because trade blocks are mostly useless. Everybody has 4 of their bottom 8 players on the block and they are asking for 1st rounders or an upgrade somewhere, it's 90% dreamer material.

I've noticed some people don't like the inquiries, so if that makes you want to trash it so be it, but it's the easiest way to deal from my perspective.

If you're not helping yourself somewhere, why trade?

The best trades are the ones you don't make. If you need to make a trade, you're doing something wrong.

**Goulet** · 12-31-2012, 12:00 PM

BJ..heres the rationale..

being a vet in a lot of sims leagues including baseball, I think theres a LOT of GMs who throw feelers...

"what would you like"

and at that point theres no starting point and takes more work to even find an offer.

There are also the bad offers from GMs who admit its a lowball offer to get the ball rolling... to me thats bad business and usually offends the other GM where its not worth their time to respond because when you do, you get the long written responses about why it wasa good offer in the first place.

PLEASE....

we know u wanna rip us off (not nec U but who made the offer)

So IMO if you're admittedly lowballing someone at least come with a real offerif you want a response.

Whats funny about the gms who are defending this way of going about business is that Id guarantee theyve made less trades .... so going about business with that mentality has IMO made trading with those teams hard to do.

**BlakeJesus** · 12-31-2012, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Shaqtus

If you're not helping yourself somewhere, why trade?

The best trades are the ones you don't make. If you need to make a trade, you're doing something wrong.

I disagree with this logic big time. Basically every team in the league could improve their chances of winning by making at least one more trade.

kevinblazer · 12-31-2012, 12:11 PM

i dont feel bad about my response because i asked him over a month ago to leave me alone, to not offer me deals and to ignore each other. the next step is just to block him completly

Smath · 12-31-2012, 12:15 PM

PP thats a bad offer

I understand the rational behind you thinking he needs a PG , but you have to look at value here , the PG your offering is 35 , and doesn't do anything elite... you actually don't even need wright sense you have akers , so its even more insulting , its purely you trying to rape lol , now if you offerd him your PG + akers for wright that would be a normal offer imo.

fsecreast · 12-31-2012, 12:18 PM

BJ, that is actually the way I prefer to negotiate. One team sends out a feeler, and then we work from there. But after dealing with you for so many seasons now I know that me and you will never get a trade done.

And Porn that is why I delete your PMs. Because I know that your initial offer is going to be so ridiculous that its going to be extremely difficult just to get to the point where I'm getting fair value.

**Porn Player** · 12-31-2012, 12:19 PM

Extremely difficult?

Just send a reply with what you consider a fair offer. It's not rocket science.

12-31-2012, 11:18 AM	#121 (permalink)
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12-31-2012, 11:20 AM	#122 (permalink)
El Shaqtus KVBL's Resident Old Fart Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: St. Louis Metro Posts: 6,571 Rep Power: 1819770	Re: KVBL 3.0 Season 14 Discussion (Sim #2: Tuesday @ 5 PM; 11/26 - 12/16) That's a Kevin type reply. Impressive in its depth. __________________ Mom, thanks for everything. RIP Coach Rick Majerus 12/1/12. You were the one that said it was OK to think big at SLU. You were right. KVBL Lexington Kings 2023 KVBL Champions: St. Louis Warriors (El Shaqtus) 2026 KVBL First Loser 2013 BBBL First Loser

12-31-2012, 11:21 AM	#123 (permalink)
Porn Player Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jolly Ingerland.. Age: 25 Posts: 26,521 Rep Power: 21474873	Re: KVBL 3.0 Season 14 Discussion (Sim #2: Tuesday @ 5 PM; 11/26 - 12/16) He wants a PG. Ozzy is a nice PG, it was worth a shot. __________________

12-31-2012, 11:37 AM	#124 (permalink)
fsecreast Star Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 3,150 Rep Power: 234298	Re: KVBL 3.0 Season 14 Discussion (Sim #2: Tuesday @ 5 PM; 11/26 - 12/16) All offers from Porn, BJ, and especially Kenneth are automatically sent to my trash.

12-31-2012, 11:39 AM	#125 (permalink)
Porn Player Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jolly Ingerland.. Age: 25 Posts: 26,521 Rep Power: 21474873	Re: KVBL 3.0 Season 14 Discussion (Sim #2: Tuesday @ 5 PM; 11/26 - 12/16) Meh. I always send out offers that generally upgrade my team, then I work that point and always respond to counter offers. I don't get why people get so up in arms about offers they don't like. It's weird to me. __________________

12-31-2012, 11:46 AM	#126 (permalink)
Dissonance World ****ing Champs Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 30 Posts: 45,721 Rep Power: 17107929	Re: KVBL 3.0 Season 14 Discussion (Sim #2: Tuesday @ 5 PM; 11/26 - 12/16) Sending those types of offers though turn people off right away usually. Start with something logical or a feeler.

12-31-2012, 11:52 AM	#127 (permalink)
Porn Player Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jolly Ingerland.. Age: 25 Posts: 26,521 Rep Power: 21474873	Re: KVBL 3.0 Season 14 Discussion (Sim #2: Tuesday @ 5 PM; 11/26 - 12/16) I'll work on it. __________________

12-31-2012, 11:53 AM	#128 (permalink)
BlakeJesus Community Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Age: 23 Posts: 17,048 Rep Power: 12803038	Re: KVBL 3.0 Season 14 Discussion (Sim #2: Tuesday @ 5 PM; 11/26 - 12/16) I generally don't send actual offers, I ask if you like one of my players or I tell you that I like one of your players. Unless there's a clear cut offer to make I don't bother because a good portion of the time I don't really know what people want because trade blocks are mostly useless. Everybody has 4 of their bottom 8 players on the block and they are asking for 1st rounders or an upgrade somewhere, it's 90% dreamer material. I've noticed some people don't like the inquiries, so if that makes you want to trash it so be it, but it's the easiest way to deal from my perspective. __________________ Jalen Rose - "Positions were created so the novice could follow the game. You ARE your skillset." 2024 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2026 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2027 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks

12-31-2012, 12:00 PM	#130 (permalink)
Goulet P4: Paolo Forlini Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: VA Posts: 3,305 Rep Power: 915585	Re: KVBL 3.0 Season 14 Discussion (Sim #2: Tuesday @ 5 PM; 11/26 - 12/16) BJ..heres the rationale.. being a vet in a lot of sims leagues including baseball, I think theres a LOT of GMs who throw feelers... "what would you like" and at that point theres no starting point and takes more work to even find an offer. There are also the bad offers from GMs who admit its a lowball offer to get the ball rolling... to me thats bad business and usually offends the other GM where its not worth their time to respond because when you do, you get the long written responses about why it wasa good offer in the first place. PLEASE.... we know u wanna rip us off (not nec U but who made the offer) So IMO if you're admittedly lowballing someone at least come with a real offerif you want a response. Whats funny about the gms who are defending this way of going about business is that Id guarantee theyve made less trades .... so going about business with that mentality has IMO made trading with those teams hard to do. __________________

12-31-2012, 12:11 PM	#132 (permalink)
kevinblazer fsrl blazers kvbl nuggets Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: portland Posts: 1,450 Rep Power: 151606	Re: KVBL 3.0 Season 14 Discussion (Sim #2: Tuesday @ 5 PM; 11/26 - 12/16) i dont feel bad about my response because i asked him over a month ago to leave me alone, to not offer me deals and to ignore each other. the next step is just to block him completly

12-31-2012, 12:15 PM	#133 (permalink)
Smath All-Star Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tel-Aviv Israel Posts: 5,269 Rep Power: 344832	Re: KVBL 3.0 Season 14 Discussion (Sim #2: Tuesday @ 5 PM; 11/26 - 12/16) PP thats a bad offer I understand the rational behind you thinking he needs a PG , but you have to look at value here , the PG your offering is 35 , and doesn't do anything elite... you actually don't even need wright sense you have akers , so its even more insulting , its purely you trying to rape lol , now if you offerd him your PG + akers for wright that would be a normal offer imo. __________________ KVBL/FRSL - Miami Heat GM 2034 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) 2029 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) 2025 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) 2016-2017 FRSL Champions

12-31-2012, 12:18 PM	#134 (permalink)
fsecreast Star Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 3,150 Rep Power: 234298	Re: KVBL 3.0 Season 14 Discussion (Sim #2: Tuesday @ 5 PM; 11/26 - 12/16) BJ, that is actually the way I prefer to negotiate. One team sends out a feeler, and then we work from there. But after dealing with you for so many seasons now I know that me and you will never get a trade done. And Porn that is why I delete your PMs. Because I know that your initial offer is going to be so ridiculous that its going to be extremely difficult just to get to the point where I'm getting fair value.

12-31-2012, 12:19 PM	#135 (permalink)
Porn Player Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jolly Ingerland.. Age: 25 Posts: 26,521 Rep Power: 21474873	Re: KVBL 3.0 Season 14 Discussion (Sim #2: Tuesday @ 5 PM; 11/26 - 12/16) Extremely difficult? Just send a reply with what you consider a fair offer. It's not rocket science. __________________

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