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**King Joseus** · 01-02-2013, 02:25 AM

I was thinking about this when I was looking at some of the Sharks' history earlier. The reason it's here and not in Media is due to it not really being an article (yet, at least); it's more a discussion topic. These are, of course, just for amusement purposes, but perhaps there'll be some interesting chatter that comes out of it. I've done a quick one to four players for each team, but I trust that many of you will have different takes on who belongs and that's fine. I tried to stay away from guys who've only played for the team for a season or two, but there are definitely guys who will probably make the list if they stick around on their team for a while (like DJ Alexander in LA). Longevity and impact probably the best things to consider. Debate on these is a good thing (although some guys should be obvious).

Philadelphia 76ers: Detlef Landros
Boston Celtics: Alistair Maynard, John Wall, Xerxes Khoroushi
Miami Heat: Gerrod Clifton, Bart Higgins, Malcolm Xavier, Skyler McLean
New York Knicks: Jens Larsson, Andrew Bynum, Matt Kwietak, Lance Prince
Orlando Magic: Zach Tyler
Brooklyn Nets: Mancin Tulker
Washington Bullets: James Russell, Ben Cashman
Milwaukee Bucks: Greg Hope, Shawn Mack
Chicago Bulls: Phil Scates, Kenny Bradford, Chris Walker
Cleveland Cavaliers: Travere Bernard, Barry Wagner
Atlanta Hawks: Caramel Love, Frank Weiland
New Orleans Hornets: Victor Osborne, Teddy Moss III, Marvin Gordon
Detroit Pistons: Eric Rogers, Roderick Phillips
London Raptors: Ricky Briscoe, Young Hi
Memphis Grizzlies: Duke Lazear, Glenn Jennings, Phillip Vasquez, Frank Daniels
Utah Jazz: Travis Perry, Ivanos Rogic, Ray Lee, Drew Montgomery
Oklahoma City Thunder: Aeneas Bailey, Alistair Maynard
Denver Nuggets: Logan Heastie, Carlos Junarvo, Reggie Wright
Houston Rockets: Dwight Howard, LeBron James
San Antonio Spurs: Tony Spence, Omar Andrews, Mikel Opoku
Las Vegas(/Minnesota) Timberwolves: Alistair Maynard, Kong Randolph, Rafa Salvadores
Portland Trail Blazers: Walker Gilchrist, Cameron Clothier, Allan Fisher
Los Angeles Clippers: Robert Goodhue, Jens Larsson
Los Angeles Lakers: Aleksandr Matechowski, Forest Katz, Javier Garcia
Seattle SuperSonics: Freddy Childs, Walker Gilchrist, Marakov Moncova
Phoenix Suns: Jericho Gyllenhaal?
St. Louis Warriors (too early for Kings, of course): Dre Byers, Jaxon Blake
Vancouver Lions: Chip Fookes, Shaun Jacobs
Québec Sharks: Kevin Stewart, Trevor Gordon, Gerald Sidell

The importance of championships could be a big factor with some teams. Does Tony Spence crack the Hawks' group? Does LeBron get in there with the Grizz despite his brief stay? Should John Wall join Landros in Philly's batch?

It'd be great if each team could give their thoughts on which guys they think deserve it on their team. If people are interested enough we could even do a nomination group and then do some polls. Might be too much work for something meaningless, but that's what I do. Have at it, folks.

**King Joseus** · 01-02-2013, 02:31 AM

The other problem with some teams is having a lot of guys who were there for three or four seasons each with very similar level of impact. Very much a preferential type thing. It's tricky.

I don't think anybody could come up with a better option for the Jazz than the four I listed above. Maybe make a case for Fantastigas as the embodiment of the three point bombing era, or Rick Damen as one of those fan loved guys who was a solid contributor for a long time. I think those two are at least a step below the other four, though.

EDIT: Oh, and these are all meant to be 3.0 only, of course.

MemphisX · 01-02-2013, 03:19 AM

LA Clippers - For better or probably worse - Andre Cannon, Jens Larsson, Robert Goodhue

Otherwise, I don't keep players long. Hopefully, DJ can survive my itchy trigger finger. He is Andre Cannon 2.0, the improved version.

scdn · 01-02-2013, 03:24 AM

I think for the time being, the Spurs heads are correct. Good idea as usual KJ.

Kidd · 01-02-2013, 03:26 AM

Jazz: Stan Smith

**King Joseus** · 01-02-2013, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kidd

Jazz: Stan Smith

Drizzy · 01-02-2013, 03:30 AM

Lions list looks good to me. Jackson Smith was with me a pretty long time but he was pretty low key. He might've had a stronger case if he didn't get hit with the ratings changer and I didn't acquire Hastings (limiting his minutes).

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Drizzy · 01-02-2013, 03:32 AM

On second thought, looking at some guys who made it on other teams maybe Smith should be on the list.

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scdn · 01-02-2013, 03:36 AM

Bucks should probably also have Zvonko and maybe Lou Williams (

)
Denver should also have Luis Ortiz

**King Joseus** · 01-02-2013, 03:51 AM

I'd forgotten about Jackson Smith, he probably deserves consideration and might even be in the top four at this juncture. Zvonko bounced around so much that it was hard for me to attach him to any one team, at least based on just 3.0.

There's a lot of guys like that, Zvonkoish. Great or very good players with multiple homes for two to four seasons each. I originally was going to pick four for each team, but I was having trouble already with Philly picking guys due to that and wanted there to be some discussion on it before I dropped guys in that might be a bit iffy. I stuck mostly with one or two on some teams just because it was easier than looking up all the good to great guys who played there who had a shot. I think Javier Garcia could join the Bullets big two, probably have Eddy Sweet up for consideration in Milwaukee. Lots of guys who've been around whose impact is hard for me to remember (especially when JSB only lists the final team for each season's stats, so I lose track of who was where for how much of a season if they ended up traded - Matechowski's last season shows up as the Jazz, for example, despite never having played there).

Owners are probably best at remembering their key lineups and who were the big contributors, or at least well enough to throw out some names and have me check in on their stats.

fsecreast · 01-02-2013, 04:06 AM

Nailed it with the Celtics. Especially leaving that fourth spot open for Jude.

**King Joseus** · 01-02-2013, 04:17 AM

Ha, that's not quite what I was doing but it'll work. The idea is that every team would have four guys right now. Would those four guys be the guys in, say, three more seasons? Definitely yes in some cases (Landros in Philly is a lock for life), but in other cases there'd be a shuffling of players that'd go down.

I'm most sure about the Jazz, of course, but I have a good idea about the sets of four (or reasonable ones, at the very least) for a lot of teams. Teams like the Suns, Rockets, and Clippers are difficult to do for me. I think Derrick Rose would probably get added to Houston's list, but I'd have to dig to find somebody else for them. Phoenix changes up its roster a lot, same for the Clips.

Duck · 01-02-2013, 05:58 AM

Clifton for rockets

**Dornado** · 01-02-2013, 06:26 AM

Even though I only had him for the first 5 seasons, I'd still probably have D12 be the 4th guy (with Scates, Bradford, Walker)

**Porn Player** · 01-02-2013, 06:36 AM

No Sterling?

01-02-2013, 02:25 AM	#1 (permalink)
King Joseus Rest In Peace Join Date: May 2003 Location: Zhengzhou Age: 25 Posts: 34,391 Rep Power: 9733001	KVBL's Mount Rushmores I was thinking about this when I was looking at some of the Sharks' history earlier. The reason it's here and not in Media is due to it not really being an article (yet, at least); it's more a discussion topic. These are, of course, just for amusement purposes, but perhaps there'll be some interesting chatter that comes out of it. I've done a quick one to four players for each team, but I trust that many of you will have different takes on who belongs and that's fine. I tried to stay away from guys who've only played for the team for a season or two, but there are definitely guys who will probably make the list if they stick around on their team for a while (like DJ Alexander in LA). Longevity and impact probably the best things to consider. Debate on these is a good thing (although some guys should be obvious). Philadelphia 76ers: Detlef Landros Boston Celtics: Alistair Maynard, John Wall, Xerxes Khoroushi Miami Heat: Gerrod Clifton, Bart Higgins, Malcolm Xavier, Skyler McLean New York Knicks: Jens Larsson, Andrew Bynum, Matt Kwietak, Lance Prince Orlando Magic: Zach Tyler Brooklyn Nets: Mancin Tulker Washington Bullets: James Russell, Ben Cashman Milwaukee Bucks: Greg Hope, Shawn Mack Chicago Bulls: Phil Scates, Kenny Bradford, Chris Walker Cleveland Cavaliers: Travere Bernard, Barry Wagner Atlanta Hawks: Caramel Love, Frank Weiland New Orleans Hornets: Victor Osborne, Teddy Moss III, Marvin Gordon Detroit Pistons: Eric Rogers, Roderick Phillips London Raptors: Ricky Briscoe, Young Hi Memphis Grizzlies: Duke Lazear, Glenn Jennings, Phillip Vasquez, Frank Daniels Utah Jazz: Travis Perry, Ivanos Rogic, Ray Lee, Drew Montgomery Oklahoma City Thunder: Aeneas Bailey, Alistair Maynard Denver Nuggets: Logan Heastie, Carlos Junarvo, Reggie Wright Houston Rockets: Dwight Howard, LeBron James San Antonio Spurs: Tony Spence, Omar Andrews, Mikel Opoku Las Vegas(/Minnesota) Timberwolves: Alistair Maynard, Kong Randolph, Rafa Salvadores Portland Trail Blazers: Walker Gilchrist, Cameron Clothier, Allan Fisher Los Angeles Clippers: Robert Goodhue, Jens Larsson Los Angeles Lakers: Aleksandr Matechowski, Forest Katz, Javier Garcia Seattle SuperSonics: Freddy Childs, Walker Gilchrist, Marakov Moncova Phoenix Suns: Jericho Gyllenhaal? St. Louis Warriors (too early for Kings, of course): Dre Byers, Jaxon Blake Vancouver Lions: Chip Fookes, Shaun Jacobs Québec Sharks: Kevin Stewart, Trevor Gordon, Gerald Sidell The importance of championships could be a big factor with some teams. Does Tony Spence crack the Hawks' group? Does LeBron get in there with the Grizz despite his brief stay? Should John Wall join Landros in Philly's batch? It'd be great if each team could give their thoughts on which guys they think deserve it on their team. If people are interested enough we could even do a nomination group and then do some polls. Might be too much work for something meaningless, but that's what I do. Have at it, folks. __________________ Interested in joining the KVBL? PM me for information.

01-02-2013, 02:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
King Joseus Rest In Peace Join Date: May 2003 Location: Zhengzhou Age: 25 Posts: 34,391 Rep Power: 9733001	Re: KVBL's Mount Rushmores The other problem with some teams is having a lot of guys who were there for three or four seasons each with very similar level of impact. Very much a preferential type thing. It's tricky. I don't think anybody could come up with a better option for the Jazz than the four I listed above. Maybe make a case for Fantastigas as the embodiment of the three point bombing era, or Rick Damen as one of those fan loved guys who was a solid contributor for a long time. I think those two are at least a step below the other four, though. EDIT: Oh, and these are all meant to be 3.0 only, of course. __________________ Interested in joining the KVBL? PM me for information.

01-02-2013, 03:19 AM	#3 (permalink)
MemphisX Welcome to the Grindhouse! Join Date: Sep 2002 Age: 18 Posts: 14,870 Rep Power: 8088415	Re: KVBL's Mount Rushmores LA Clippers - For better or probably worse - Andre Cannon, Jens Larsson, Robert Goodhue Otherwise, I don't keep players long. Hopefully, DJ can survive my itchy trigger finger. He is Andre Cannon 2.0, the improved version. __________________ Los Angeles Clippers HQ KVBL L.A. Clippers Team Page 2016 Western Conference Finalist 2017 Western Conference Finalist 2027 KVBL Finalist 2028 KVBL Champions PG Anibal Levrino \| SG DJ Alexander \| SF Sky Johnson \| PF Henry Torre \| C Frank Weiland(MVP) \| 6th Man Nikolai Koznyshev 2018 FRSL Champion L.A. Clippers

01-02-2013, 03:24 AM	#4 (permalink)
scdn History will repeat after 20 years Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 3,523 Rep Power: 1626404	Re: KVBL's Mount Rushmores I think for the time being, the Spurs heads are correct. Good idea as usual KJ. __________________ KVBL Owner, San Antonio Spurs Quincy McCall/Bo Roberts Mikel Opoku/Willie Worsley Norberto Rosas Harry Kingsley Casey Schuler/Richard Osborn

01-02-2013, 03:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
Drizzy KVBL Lions/FRSL Pacers/BBBL Heat Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Vancouver Posts: 3,009 Rep Power: 537069	Lions list looks good to me. Jackson Smith was with me a pretty long time but he was pretty low key. He might've had a stronger case if he didn't get hit with the ratings changer and I didn't acquire Hastings (limiting his minutes). Sent from my iPhone using Verticalsports.com Free App __________________ 2016 FRSL Champions: Indiana Pacers (Drizzy) Lineup - PG Rajon Rondo \| SG Jared Dudley \| SF Nicolas Batum \| PF J.J. Hickson \| C Dwight Howard \| 6th man SG/SF Wesley Matthews Finals MVP: Dwight Howard #55 Shaun Jacobs (Lions)

01-02-2013, 03:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
Drizzy KVBL Lions/FRSL Pacers/BBBL Heat Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Vancouver Posts: 3,009 Rep Power: 537069	On second thought, looking at some guys who made it on other teams maybe Smith should be on the list. Sent from my iPhone using Verticalsports.com Free App __________________ 2016 FRSL Champions: Indiana Pacers (Drizzy) Lineup - PG Rajon Rondo \| SG Jared Dudley \| SF Nicolas Batum \| PF J.J. Hickson \| C Dwight Howard \| 6th man SG/SF Wesley Matthews Finals MVP: Dwight Howard #55 Shaun Jacobs (Lions)

01-02-2013, 03:36 AM	#9 (permalink)
scdn History will repeat after 20 years Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 3,523 Rep Power: 1626404	Re: KVBL's Mount Rushmores Bucks should probably also have Zvonko and maybe Lou Williams ( ) Denver should also have Luis Ortiz __________________ KVBL Owner, San Antonio Spurs Quincy McCall/Bo Roberts Mikel Opoku/Willie Worsley Norberto Rosas Harry Kingsley Casey Schuler/Richard Osborn

01-02-2013, 03:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
King Joseus Rest In Peace Join Date: May 2003 Location: Zhengzhou Age: 25 Posts: 34,391 Rep Power: 9733001	Re: KVBL's Mount Rushmores I'd forgotten about Jackson Smith, he probably deserves consideration and might even be in the top four at this juncture. Zvonko bounced around so much that it was hard for me to attach him to any one team, at least based on just 3.0. There's a lot of guys like that, Zvonkoish. Great or very good players with multiple homes for two to four seasons each. I originally was going to pick four for each team, but I was having trouble already with Philly picking guys due to that and wanted there to be some discussion on it before I dropped guys in that might be a bit iffy. I stuck mostly with one or two on some teams just because it was easier than looking up all the good to great guys who played there who had a shot. I think Javier Garcia could join the Bullets big two, probably have Eddy Sweet up for consideration in Milwaukee. Lots of guys who've been around whose impact is hard for me to remember (especially when JSB only lists the final team for each season's stats, so I lose track of who was where for how much of a season if they ended up traded - Matechowski's last season shows up as the Jazz, for example, despite never having played there). Owners are probably best at remembering their key lineups and who were the big contributors, or at least well enough to throw out some names and have me check in on their stats. __________________ Interested in joining the KVBL? PM me for information.

01-02-2013, 04:06 AM	#11 (permalink)
fsecreast Star Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 2,835 Rep Power: 234297	Re: KVBL's Mount Rushmores Nailed it with the Celtics. Especially leaving that fourth spot open for Jude.

01-02-2013, 04:17 AM	#12 (permalink)
King Joseus Rest In Peace Join Date: May 2003 Location: Zhengzhou Age: 25 Posts: 34,391 Rep Power: 9733001	Re: KVBL's Mount Rushmores Ha, that's not quite what I was doing but it'll work. The idea is that every team would have four guys right now. Would those four guys be the guys in, say, three more seasons? Definitely yes in some cases (Landros in Philly is a lock for life), but in other cases there'd be a shuffling of players that'd go down. I'm most sure about the Jazz, of course, but I have a good idea about the sets of four (or reasonable ones, at the very least) for a lot of teams. Teams like the Suns, Rockets, and Clippers are difficult to do for me. I think Derrick Rose would probably get added to Houston's list, but I'd have to dig to find somebody else for them. Phoenix changes up its roster a lot, same for the Clips. __________________ Interested in joining the KVBL? PM me for information.

01-02-2013, 05:58 AM	#13 (permalink)
Duck Star Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Disney World Posts: 2,990 Rep Power: 1836626	Re: KVBL's Mount Rushmores Clifton for rockets __________________ 2021 KVBL Champions: Houston Rockets (Duck34234) Lineup - PG Savoris Salatocianas \| SG Eugene Foster \| SF LeBron James \| PF Kevin Irujo \| C Dwight Howard \| 6th man SG Manu Ginobili Finals MVP: Dwight Howard 2015 KVBL Champions: Houston Rockets (Duck34234) Lineup - PG Clifton \| SG Ginobili \| SF Garnett \| PF Wright \| C Howard \| 6th man SG/SF R. Allen 2014 KVBL Champions: Houston Rockets (Duck34234) Lineup - PG Clifton \| SG Ginobili \| SF Garnett \| PF Wright \| C Howard \| 6th man SG/SF R. Allen

01-02-2013, 06:26 AM	#14 (permalink)
Dornado Community Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: WI Posts: 10,311 Rep Power: 10535930	Re: KVBL's Mount Rushmores Even though I only had him for the first 5 seasons, I'd still probably have D12 be the 4th guy (with Scates, Bradford, Walker) __________________

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