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Kidd · 10-08-2012, 03:22 PM

It's curious that you're always rambling on about GMs "benefiting" from elite players as if that takes away from their abilities or something. They had to put themselves in the position to get those players to begin with and that's good GMing right there. Also I'm not completely oblivious to the Western Conference, this is the Greatest GMs of All Time list so I just feel like the relatively new GMs such as TheAnswer and Drizzy haven't achieved enough to be on this list yet, doesn't mean they won't be in future installments though.

That's just about the only thing I'm willing to address. My list is alright, please refer me to where my "belief of who is good" has led me to ranking a GM wrongly. You could make an argument for any one of the guys on the list, so **** outta here with all of that. You are simply crying about not making the list.

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I'm not saying I'm better than anyone...

IMO you simply have a "belief" of whose good regardless of their accomplishments.

I think win pct and deep playoff runs speak more to someone's success.

lol

**Goulet** · 10-08-2012, 03:35 PM

Oh please Brian.

Reboot draft started folks off with elite talent didn't it?

And those folks who had the elite talent were able to also get great value if they decided to trade those guys.

I'm more of a believer in folks being good regardless of the hands their dealt.

That's a sign of a good GM IMO.

And what's funny is you joked about folks working for their elite talent.... And we know that meant tanking on purpose while benching studs something that you have constantly pointed out....

So I personally give more cred to folks who haven't done that as well.

But that's me.

If you want to give the folks you talk crap about credit for them doing what annoys you then that's solid.

**El Shaqtus** · 10-08-2012, 03:40 PM

Not a bad list. 3 teams who haven't won on it *may* be a little high, but not out of hand.

**Goulet** · 10-08-2012, 03:42 PM

As far as the list.... There are issues but for the most part this is a league filled with competent GMs.... Most can do well with the right pieces.

You on the other hand had Clifton and Maynard and didn't win. But your 8th.

Do you get a good grade for not winning with elite talent.

I haven't won a ring but i have a better V3 record than you while doing it with less talent. So what does that say?

I just think ranking GMs is tough. It's a fun exercise but what you've laid out is pretty silly. It's very inconsistent as far as how you are analyzing them and ranking them.

Kenneth's tiered system works better as there are levels moreso than ranks IMO.

Kidd · 10-08-2012, 03:43 PM

Wait... so you're a fan of GMs making it "the hard way" and doing a lot with little and then you turn around and start dissing Kenneth? Anyway, Aero and Kenneth are both great GMs, I will go as far as to say that GMs 1 - 7 are pretty much equal since it's all too subjective. This is pretty much a celebration of certain GMs' achievements, stop crying and win something... but just know that even if you do, all credit goes to Alistair and you get nothing.

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Originally Posted by Goulet

And what's funny is you joked about folks working for their elite talent.... And we know that meant tanking on purpose while benching studs something that you have constantly pointed out....

This is ignorance at its finest. Let's just ignore everything else that GMs have done to get where they're at today?

I'm not a fan of Smath but I still put him at #5, even with his shameful season, because I think he deserves to be there.

**Goulet** · 10-08-2012, 03:46 PM

FWiW this list is def more relevant as far as alltime. Ill give you that and missed that idea. My bad.

**Goulet** · 10-08-2012, 03:51 PM

Brian... My point about the tanking was that you have said it was bogus yet you're then giving credit for them having good talent by being a good GM when all they did was tank with a good team.

And you're correct about Maynard. If I win its about him, but then what does that say about your own personal ranking?

As far as Kenneth I was noting how he could be that much better had he gone allin at times and he even admits to being difficult and hasn't traded as much. He could be top 3 IMO so yeah I'm dissing him cuz he's underachieved. Same crap folks give BJ about and same folks will to you and me with Maynard. It's hard to win without elite talent but of course you should when u have it. Kind of a catch22

Sounds like a podcast topic!

Kidd · 10-08-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Goulet

Brian... My point about the tanking was that you have said it was bogus yet you're then giving credit for them having good talent by being a good GM when all they did was tank with a good team.

I didn't know that Jay and Smath were both bottom-feeding GMs before they decided to tank

. The good GMs didn't just tank to get a good team, they were already good.

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Originally Posted by Goulet

And you're correct about Maynard. If I win its about him, but then what does that say about your own personal ranking?

It says nothing about my personal ranking because I don't believe that having an elite player means that nothing you do matters. That's all you and only you. I was mocking you.

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As far as Kenneth I was noting how he could be that much better had he gone allin at times and he even admits to being difficult and hasn't traded as much. He could be top 3 IMO so yeah I'm dissing him cuz he's underachieved.

You're saying now Kenneth could be Top 3... so why are we even having this discussion.

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Same crap folks give BJ about and same folks will to you and me with Maynard. It's hard to win without elite talent but of course you should when u have it. Kind of a catch22

I kind of agree with this, but at the same time it's not really championship or bust. If you make the Finals or have a dominant streak of a few seasons while making it deep in the playoffs each year that'll earn you some points in my book. Every season, taking into account the injuries, trades and all other variables, I'd say that you have about a 1/8 or 1/10 shot at winning it all assuming you're a competitive team and we've only had 10 seasons. It can't simply be championship or bust.

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Sounds like a podcast topic!

Do it up.

AllRim · 10-08-2012, 04:25 PM

someone tell kevinblazer to read this and take note of how intelligent people work through a dissagreement.

Zei_Zao_LS · 10-08-2012, 04:46 PM

RESPOND TO MY PM OR I CUT YOU

Drizzy · 10-08-2012, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd

Also I'm not completely oblivious to the Western Conference, this is the Greatest GMs of All Time list so I just feel like the relatively new GMs such as TheAnswer and Drizzy haven't achieved enough to be on this list yet, doesn't mean they won't be in future installments though.

Got mentioned. I'll take it for now.

fsecreast · 10-08-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Goulet

Oh please Brian.

Reboot draft started folks off with elite talent didn't it?

And those folks who had the elite talent were able to also get great value if they decided to trade those guys.

I'm more of a believer in folks being good regardless of the hands their dealt.

That's a sign of a good GM IMO.

I was stuck with the second to last pick in the fantasy draft. Just saying.

awaywehappened · 10-08-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Goulet

Tough to put together a list ranking GMs if you don't pay attention to the Western Conference.

Maybe you should stick to the East

I mean.... I have the 6th best overrall record in V3 .... So what exactly do you take into consideration?

Personally I've won an FRSL title and also drafted a beast of a team in the league, one people were skeptical of at first..... So I've proven myself across all three installments as well. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone, as im still in search of the big prize being a KVBL trophy and all that matters to me is how I wanna maneuver my team to win.

IMO you simply have a "belief" of whose good regardless of their accomplishments.

I think win pct and deep playoff runs speak more to someone's success.

There's a handful of folks who've benefited from elite players in their primes.

Lets see what they can do now without that benefit.

As the landscape of the KVBL has changed with ever increasing competition it's clearly become harder for the "old guard" to hold their rep.

There's a few "great GMs" in your eyes that IMO could be even better had they been more active.

Kenneth for one could be THAT much more of a winner if he'd stop being so stubborn and trolling the celtics draft picks.

Do the Lakers capitalize on a better wing the last two years that can defend? Of course. But alas no titles. He hasn't gone all in IMO.

And u have aero ranked BEHIND HIM?

You're in the East.... U should know how successful he is.

I'm not sure what's up with the Nooby Booby Brian Kenny trio but its fascinating.

What does ANYTHING in this thread have to do with me?

Smath · 10-08-2012, 05:19 PM

Just for the record , I tanked for 1 year , got the 6th pick , picked Takashi Satou (useless piece) wich i basiclly traded for Sergio Salvadores , so technichally it didn't help me win a champ

**Porn Player** · 10-08-2012, 05:22 PM

Tanker.

10-08-2012, 03:35 PM	#32 (permalink)
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10-08-2012, 03:42 PM	#34 (permalink)
Goulet The Master Of Panic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: VA Posts: 3,021 Rep Power: 915585	Re: Brian's Top 10 GMs (2nd ed.) As far as the list.... There are issues but for the most part this is a league filled with competent GMs.... Most can do well with the right pieces. You on the other hand had Clifton and Maynard and didn't win. But your 8th. Do you get a good grade for not winning with elite talent. I haven't won a ring but i have a better V3 record than you while doing it with less talent. So what does that say? I just think ranking GMs is tough. It's a fun exercise but what you've laid out is pretty silly. It's very inconsistent as far as how you are analyzing them and ranking them. Kenneth's tiered system works better as there are levels moreso than ranks IMO. __________________

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Goulet The Master Of Panic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: VA Posts: 3,021 Rep Power: 915585	Re: Brian's Top 10 GMs (2nd ed.) FWiW this list is def more relevant as far as alltime. Ill give you that and missed that idea. My bad. __________________

10-08-2012, 03:51 PM	#37 (permalink)
Goulet The Master Of Panic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: VA Posts: 3,021 Rep Power: 915585	Re: Brian's Top 10 GMs (2nd ed.) Brian... My point about the tanking was that you have said it was bogus yet you're then giving credit for them having good talent by being a good GM when all they did was tank with a good team. And you're correct about Maynard. If I win its about him, but then what does that say about your own personal ranking? As far as Kenneth I was noting how he could be that much better had he gone allin at times and he even admits to being difficult and hasn't traded as much. He could be top 3 IMO so yeah I'm dissing him cuz he's underachieved. Same crap folks give BJ about and same folks will to you and me with Maynard. It's hard to win without elite talent but of course you should when u have it. Kind of a catch22 Sounds like a podcast topic! __________________

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