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Zei_Zao_LS · 11-21-2012, 12:06 PM

Interesting to look back at all the really solid draft picks I've traded, I feel like the real life Suns.

AllRim · 11-21-2012, 12:13 PM

Ya, I'm mad that I took Duke over the Big Man. Hopefully I get the number 1 pick this year and make the right choice

**Vuchato** · 11-21-2012, 12:37 PM

sorted them by team here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...HZkdOV0E#gid=0

scdn · 11-21-2012, 12:43 PM

For a slot further down, #16 has been pretty good.

**BlakeJesus** · 11-21-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Vuchato

Was thinking about doing a redraft of some of the older ones, maybe an article on the biggest steals/busts. This'll make things easier (and more likely to happen). I'll start by just ranking the number 1 picks
Phil Scates
Dre Byers
Cameron Clothier
Victor Lord Jr.
Freddy Childs
Ricky Briscoe
Matt Kwietak
Greg Hope
Duke Lazear
Robert Goodhue
Teddy Moss III

Scates was pretty easy for #1, Byers and Cloth were a bit of a toss up, and VLJ could get in that group, definitely think its those three in some order after Scates. The rest are more or less by preference

Byers over Scates without hesitation, and it's possible I would take Victor Lord over him too. Kwietak would be ahead of Briscoe and Freddy Childs for me too. Heck, I'd take Greg Hope over both of those guys as well. Here would be my "at a quick glance" rankings.

Byers

Scates
Lord
Cloth
Kwietak

Hope
Childs
Goodhue
Briscoe

Duke
TM3 (Been on a lot of bad teams and bad situations, he could look good in the right spot)

Kidd · 11-21-2012, 12:46 PM

Without hesitation though?

**BlakeJesus** · 11-21-2012, 12:55 PM

Without hesitation, absolutely. Dre Byers has the benefit of more progressions, though after a little more looking around I'd probably put Scates ahead of Lord.

It's tough because Lord has 0 progressions, Byers has 6 seasons of progressions, and Scates only has 2. So we're not judging these guys at their peaks, they're all at different periods of their careers. Byers is just so impactful, he lead Warrior teams to multiple Final's appearances including one ring.

**Vuchato** · 11-21-2012, 01:37 PM

Byers actually is only a year older than Scates, but Scates is probably the best perimeter defender in the league, Byers is nice on defense but not a game changer there. When it comes to offense and rebounding, I think it's pretty much a toss up between the two (when you factor in positions), so the defensive edge made the big difference to me.

fsecreast · 11-21-2012, 01:43 PM

I take Byers over Scates also. No question in my mind.

AeroPlanino · 11-21-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fsecreast

I take Byers over Scates also. No question in my mind.

Same.

Smath · 11-21-2012, 02:09 PM

same.

**BlakeJesus** · 11-21-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vuchato

Byers actually is only a year older than Scates, but Scates is probably the best perimeter defender in the league, Byers is nice on defense but not a game changer there. When it comes to offense and rebounding, I think it's pretty much a toss up between the two (when you factor in positions), so the defensive edge made the big difference to me.

He's definitely not the best perimeter defender, that title belongs to Cameron Clothier with his 9-9-9-7 defensive 1-9's and 65 steall/68 block. Scates is a great defender, but Cloth is noticeably better than him on that side of the ball.

And how isn't Byers a game changer defensively? 9 o-d, 7 d-d, 9 p-d, 42 block rating, and a low foul rate. He can defend any type of big man (at PF or C), is a threat to block a shot, and does it all at a 2 DI. I agree it's not the most enticing part of his game, but I think that says more about the total package that he is versus the quality of his defense not being elite.

awaywehappened · 11-21-2012, 02:23 PM

LOL i drafted Ortiz

**Vuchato** · 11-21-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BlakeJesus

He's definitely not the best perimeter defender, that title belongs to Cameron Clothier with his 9-9-9-7 defensive 1-9's and 65 steall/68 block. Scates is a great defender, but Cloth is noticeably better than him on that side of the ball.

And how isn't Byers a game changer defensively? 9 o-d, 7 d-d, 9 p-d, 42 block rating and a low foul rate. He can defend any type of big man, is a threat to block a shot, and does it all at a 2 DI. I agree it's not the most enticing part of his game, but I think that says more about the total package that he is versus the quality of his defense not being elite.

figured I was forgetting someone on defense, just didn't think it would be the third guy on my list after the two we're talking about lol

Byers defensive 1-9s are great, but so are Scates. And you'll find way more players with a 42 block rating than a 112 steal rating. Byers numbers are the type that you're happy to have on a starter, whereas Scates numbers are the type that would make him a starter. I just don't see that type of difference in any other aspect of their games.

Kidd · 11-21-2012, 02:34 PM

112 steal rating doesnt hit GO as hard cause he's had Caramel all his life

11-21-2012, 12:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
Zei_Zao_LS Self-Proclaimed Expert Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I thought you were a'right in that one movie. Age: 24 Posts: 3,370 Rep Power: 2810067	Re: KVBL 3.0 Draft History Interesting to look back at all the really solid draft picks I've traded, I feel like the real life Suns. __________________ KVBL Sim League - 2032-33 Phoenix Suns PG: Agustin Paredes SG: Michael Shakur SF: Tomer Hefetz PF: Terry Howard C: Ken Akers Bench: DeVonn Dawkins, Henry Tobback, Salvatore Fantastigas, Douglas Ridenhour, Kyle Molidor, Erick Best, Darius Sams BBBL Sim League - 2012-13 Phoenix Suns PG: Rajon Rondo SG: Thabo Sefolosha SF: Carlos Delfino PF: Nikola Pekovic C: Roy Hibbert Bench: Kyle Korver, Delonte West, Tony Battie, Shelden Williams, John Jenkins, Luke Zeller

11-21-2012, 12:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
AllRim Star Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Age: 29 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 444432	Re: KVBL 3.0 Draft History Ya, I'm mad that I took Duke over the Big Man. Hopefully I get the number 1 pick this year and make the right choice __________________ FRSL Toronto Raptors - Home Court Igloo advantage KVBL Grizzlies - The team that traded Duke and all their picks, to get nothing in return. Gary level achieved.

11-21-2012, 12:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
Vuchato Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MA Posts: 6,054 Rep Power: 6652520	Re: KVBL 3.0 Draft History sorted them by team here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...HZkdOV0E#gid=0 __________________ KVBL Las Vegas Timberwolves Kenny Fugere/CJ Sampson/Walter Pelfrey Hollis Davies/Vytautas Jokubaitas Tayerone Blackman/Charlie Fineman/Willy Grant/Scott Diamond Mac Moore/Kobe Danielson/Kong Randolph Rafa Salvadores/Sam Sagan/Mick Scragg

11-21-2012, 12:43 PM	#19 (permalink)
scdn History will repeat after 20 years Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 3,521 Rep Power: 1626404	Re: KVBL 3.0 Draft History For a slot further down, #16 has been pretty good. __________________ KVBL Owner, San Antonio Spurs Quincy McCall/Bo Roberts Mikel Opoku/Willie Worsley Norberto Rosas Harry Kingsley Casey Schuler/Richard Osborn

11-21-2012, 12:55 PM	#22 (permalink)
BlakeJesus Community Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Age: 23 Posts: 16,769 Rep Power: 12803037	Re: KVBL 3.0 Draft History Without hesitation, absolutely. Dre Byers has the benefit of more progressions, though after a little more looking around I'd probably put Scates ahead of Lord. It's tough because Lord has 0 progressions, Byers has 6 seasons of progressions, and Scates only has 2. So we're not judging these guys at their peaks, they're all at different periods of their careers. Byers is just so impactful, he lead Warrior teams to multiple Final's appearances including one ring. __________________ Jalen Rose - "Positions were created so the novice could follow the game. You ARE your skillset." 2024 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2026 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2027 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks

11-21-2012, 01:37 PM	#23 (permalink)
Vuchato Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MA Posts: 6,054 Rep Power: 6652520	Re: KVBL 3.0 Draft History Byers actually is only a year older than Scates, but Scates is probably the best perimeter defender in the league, Byers is nice on defense but not a game changer there. When it comes to offense and rebounding, I think it's pretty much a toss up between the two (when you factor in positions), so the defensive edge made the big difference to me. __________________ KVBL Las Vegas Timberwolves Kenny Fugere/CJ Sampson/Walter Pelfrey Hollis Davies/Vytautas Jokubaitas Tayerone Blackman/Charlie Fineman/Willy Grant/Scott Diamond Mac Moore/Kobe Danielson/Kong Randolph Rafa Salvadores/Sam Sagan/Mick Scragg

11-21-2012, 01:43 PM	#24 (permalink)
fsecreast Star Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 2,832 Rep Power: 234297	Re: KVBL 3.0 Draft History I take Byers over Scates also. No question in my mind.

11-21-2012, 02:09 PM	#26 (permalink)
Smath All-Star Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tel-Aviv Israel Posts: 5,021 Rep Power: 344832	Re: KVBL 3.0 Draft History same. __________________ KVBL/FRSL - Miami Heat GM 2029 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) Lineup - PG Sergio Jose Salvadores \| SG Chris Love \| SF Malcolm Xavier \| PF Skyler McClean \| C Dwight Howard \| 6th man SG Edd Timmons Finals MVP: Malcolm Xavier 2025 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) Lineup - PG Chris Love \| SG Gerrod Clifton \| SF Malcolm Xavier \| PF Skyler McClean \| C Jeremy James \| 6th man SG Edd Timmons Finals MVP: Skyler McClean 2016-2017 FRSL Champions PG: Jrue Holiday /// SG: Monta Ellis /// SF: Josh Smith /// PF: Tim Duncan /// C: Andrew Bynum /// 6th player: Devin Ebanks /// Playoffs MVP: Andew Bynum

11-21-2012, 02:23 PM	#28 (permalink)
awaywehappened KVBL's Worst GM Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,620 Rep Power: 0	Re: KVBL 3.0 Draft History LOL i drafted Ortiz __________________ 2031 KVBL Champions: Detroit Pistons (awaywehappened) Lineup - PG Brian Brown \| SG Quandre Clowney \| SF James Russell \| PF Lewis Barker \| C Alistair Maynard \| 6th man SG Osmosis Clearwater Finals MVP: James Russell

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