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**Porn Player** · 11-13-2012, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by scdn

I'm sure PP pedaled the 28 ppg Kilmartin has been averaging in his pitch.

Not at all.

Roturn liked Kilmartin, that's pretty much how the discussion got us to the point it did.

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Originally Posted by Kidd

eh, Akers isn't THAT good for all of you guys to be so riled up about this...

People just get worked up when Porn pulls off a trade. I rape everybody yet I win nothing, something must be off in the judgement of others.

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Originally Posted by Zei_Zao_LS

A rotational big for a rotational wing. I don't see what the big deal is. It's one guy who's solid all around with one elite talent (shot blocking) for one guy who's an elite scorer with great defensive 1-9's. Granted he doesn't get much in the way of rebounds or assists, but it's not like he traded Barry Wagner for him. He traded a mid-level big for a mid-level wing.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Kilmartin is just 26 and he's improved every season he has been in the league. Akers might go the other way and be one of those guys that doesn't reach his potential.

Smath · 11-13-2012, 07:53 AM

thats why you are such a bad GM , you think Kilmartin is a good player....

Akers is 19 years old , he WILL be a legit starter in this league.

AllRim · 11-13-2012, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Smath

thats why you are such a bad GM , you think Kilmartin is a good player....

Akers is 19 years old , he WILL be a legit starter in this league.

I think he is trying to justify this as a non rape trade, but it isn't really working. He knows Kilmartin isn't as valuable.

He is a SF only that can't rebound, can't pass and doesn't get steals. He can score but not at high enough % since that's all he does.

I'm just wondering why Prince hasn't started up the rape memes yet.....

scdn · 11-13-2012, 08:30 AM

Rape pics are usually Diss' domain.

AllRim · 11-13-2012, 08:42 AM

Ahhh my bad. Still to new I guess

**Porn Player** · 11-13-2012, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Smath

thats why you are such a bad GM , you think Kilmartin is a good player....

Akers is 19 years old , he WILL be a legit starter in this league.

Akers is 22.

You know his ratings for in a couple seasons? Awesome, please pass them on.

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Originally Posted by AllRim

I think he is trying to justify this as a non rape trade, but it isn't really working. He knows Kilmartin isn't as valuable.

He is a SF only that can't rebound, can't pass and doesn't get steals. He can score but not at high enough % since that's all he does.

I couldn't give a ****. If I got a 'rape' trade, I'd be thrilled. I'm not here to babysit anyone, it's a competitive league.

Kilmartin is SG/SF too and has really impressive 1-9's for either position which will be essential come playoff time. His %'s are going to be fine as well, that's just more bullshit you're spewing, he has solid ratings in that department.

He's an elite scorer whichever way you look at him and exactly what Roturn wanted.

Zei_Zao_LS · 11-13-2012, 09:55 AM

Definitely not getting all the Kilmartin hate. It's kind of funny actually.

AllRim · 11-13-2012, 10:03 AM

its a rape trade.

Not the biggest rape, but still...

Lets take a look at his numbers since this is his first year as a starter

26 ppg hey not bad at all
40% from the field meh could be better
35% from 3 not bad either
Now this is where it gets ugly
0.9 rebs per game hmmmm BRUTAL
0.09 Asts per game ouch
0.9 steals for a good defender ewwwwww
doesn't even try to block a shot ever.

Please stop acting like you actually think Kilmartin is a fair deal here

**Porn Player** · 11-13-2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AllRim

its a rape trade.

Not the biggest rape, but still...

Lets take a look at his numbers since this is his first year as a starter

26 ppg hey not bad at all
40% from the field meh could be better
35% from 3 not bad either
Now this is where it gets ugly
0.9 rebs per game hmmmm BRUTAL
0.09 Asts per game ouch
0.9 steals for a good defender ewwwwww
doesn't even try to block a shot ever.

Please stop acting like you actually think Kilmartin is a fair deal here

This is a stupid but I'll play along

Ken Akers has played 16 games, started 7 of them, here are his stats

6ppg
2.5fpg
2blks
2turnovers
0.7stls
0.6asts
7rbg

Matt Kilmartin has offensive 1-9s to the value of 26, and defensive 1-9s of 25.

Ken Akers has offensive 1-9s to the value of 13, and defensive 1-9s of 16.

AllRim · 11-13-2012, 10:20 AM

This is stupid

Kilmartin 38 minutes per game
Akers 22.5

Akers is an elite shot blocker above average rebounder and has a good shooting %

Akers has a way higher upside, and is way more valuable for any team.

You can try to spin any way you want, but I'd say 100% of gm's that have been around for a couple seasons don't even think about this doing this deal.

**Porn Player** · 11-13-2012, 10:22 AM

I'm not spinning anything. Roturn makes the decisions for the Cavs, not me. I never forced him to take any deal, I don't do a hard sell.

AllRim · 11-13-2012, 10:40 AM

So you're finally admitting that you clearly came out on top of this trade, and took advantage of the situation. That's all I wanted to hear.

Kidd · 11-13-2012, 10:46 AM

You guys are saying it's a RAPE TRADE

Prawn is saying it's just a trade.

**Goulet** · 11-13-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Porn Player

I'm not spinning anything. Roturn makes the decisions for the Cavs, not me. I never forced him to take any deal, I don't do a hard sell.

This sums it up.

Return is the GM of the Cavs.

For all of 1 day before that trade. Was it even a full 24 hours?!

He has zero time to assess.

Neither JayK or even KJ do this for Cavs.

Trade the 8th pick in a very nice draft for a soso vet.

It's the timing... And for a vet GM to pry away a newbies youngest asset is just poor.

Is it the biggest rape... Maybe not.

But it's sharky as hell as pretty poor that to win you need to pounce on a brand new GM the day he joins cuz no one else will agree to your awful trade proposals.

Roturn · 11-13-2012, 10:52 AM

Even if it was better for him than for me. I wanted a scoring wing. I got a scoring wing.
My bigs are solid and I needed a wing more.

11-13-2012, 07:53 AM	#32 (permalink)
Smath All-Star Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tel-Aviv Israel Posts: 5,040 Rep Power: 344832	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London thats why you are such a bad GM , you think Kilmartin is a good player.... Akers is 19 years old , he WILL be a legit starter in this league. __________________ KVBL/FRSL - Miami Heat GM 2029 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) Lineup - PG Sergio Jose Salvadores \| SG Chris Love \| SF Malcolm Xavier \| PF Skyler McClean \| C Dwight Howard \| 6th man SG Edd Timmons Finals MVP: Malcolm Xavier 2025 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) Lineup - PG Chris Love \| SG Gerrod Clifton \| SF Malcolm Xavier \| PF Skyler McClean \| C Jeremy James \| 6th man SG Edd Timmons Finals MVP: Skyler McClean 2016-2017 FRSL Champions PG: Jrue Holiday /// SG: Monta Ellis /// SF: Josh Smith /// PF: Tim Duncan /// C: Andrew Bynum /// 6th player: Devin Ebanks /// Playoffs MVP: Andew Bynum

11-13-2012, 08:30 AM	#34 (permalink)
scdn History will repeat after 20 years Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 3,529 Rep Power: 1626404	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London Rape pics are usually Diss' domain. __________________ KVBL Owner, San Antonio Spurs Quincy McCall/Bo Roberts Mikel Opoku/Willie Worsley Norberto Rosas Harry Kingsley Casey Schuler/Richard Osborn

11-13-2012, 08:42 AM	#35 (permalink)
AllRim Star Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Age: 29 Posts: 3,214 Rep Power: 444432	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London Ahhh my bad. Still to new I guess __________________ FRSL Toronto Raptors - Home Court Igloo advantage KVBL Grizzlies - The team that traded Duke and all their picks, to get nothing in return. Gary level achieved.

11-13-2012, 09:55 AM	#37 (permalink)
Zei_Zao_LS Self-Proclaimed Expert Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I thought you were a'right in that one movie. Age: 24 Posts: 3,379 Rep Power: 2810067	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London Definitely not getting all the Kilmartin hate. It's kind of funny actually. __________________ KVBL Sim League - 2032-33 Phoenix Suns PG: Agustin Paredes SG: Michael Shakur SF: Tomer Hefetz PF: Terry Howard C: Ken Akers Bench: DeVonn Dawkins, Henry Tobback, Salvatore Fantastigas, Douglas Ridenhour, Kyle Molidor, Erick Best, Darius Sams BBBL Sim League - 2012-13 Phoenix Suns PG: Rajon Rondo SG: Thabo Sefolosha SF: Carlos Delfino PF: Nikola Pekovic C: Roy Hibbert Bench: Kyle Korver, Delonte West, Tony Battie, Shelden Williams, John Jenkins, Luke Zeller

11-13-2012, 10:03 AM	#38 (permalink)
AllRim Star Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Age: 29 Posts: 3,214 Rep Power: 444432	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London its a rape trade. Not the biggest rape, but still... Lets take a look at his numbers since this is his first year as a starter 26 ppg hey not bad at all 40% from the field meh could be better 35% from 3 not bad either Now this is where it gets ugly 0.9 rebs per game hmmmm BRUTAL 0.09 Asts per game ouch 0.9 steals for a good defender ewwwwww doesn't even try to block a shot ever. Please stop acting like you actually think Kilmartin is a fair deal here __________________ FRSL Toronto Raptors - Home Court Igloo advantage KVBL Grizzlies - The team that traded Duke and all their picks, to get nothing in return. Gary level achieved.

11-13-2012, 10:20 AM	#40 (permalink)
AllRim Star Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Age: 29 Posts: 3,214 Rep Power: 444432	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London This is stupid Kilmartin 38 minutes per game Akers 22.5 Akers is an elite shot blocker above average rebounder and has a good shooting % Akers has a way higher upside, and is way more valuable for any team. You can try to spin any way you want, but I'd say 100% of gm's that have been around for a couple seasons don't even think about this doing this deal. __________________ FRSL Toronto Raptors - Home Court Igloo advantage KVBL Grizzlies - The team that traded Duke and all their picks, to get nothing in return. Gary level achieved.

11-13-2012, 10:22 AM	#41 (permalink)
Porn Player Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jolly Ingerland.. Age: 25 Posts: 26,005 Rep Power: 21474873	I'm not spinning anything. Roturn makes the decisions for the Cavs, not me. I never forced him to take any deal, I don't do a hard sell. __________________

11-13-2012, 10:40 AM	#42 (permalink)
AllRim Star Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Age: 29 Posts: 3,214 Rep Power: 444432	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London So you're finally admitting that you clearly came out on top of this trade, and took advantage of the situation. That's all I wanted to hear. __________________ FRSL Toronto Raptors - Home Court Igloo advantage KVBL Grizzlies - The team that traded Duke and all their picks, to get nothing in return. Gary level achieved.

11-13-2012, 10:52 AM	#45 (permalink)
Roturn Player Join Date: Apr 2012 Age: 24 Posts: 820 Rep Power: 2	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London Even if it was better for him than for me. I wanted a scoring wing. I got a scoring wing. My bigs are solid and I needed a wing more. __________________ FRSL - Orlando Magic KVBL - Cleveland Cavaliers BBBL - Orlando Magic

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