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**Porn Player** · 11-13-2012, 10:55 AM

Roturn is a FRSL veteran, he knows the ratings so your hypothesis is complete bullshit Goulet, not to mention disrespectful to both Roturn and myself.

AllRim · 11-13-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kidd

You guys are saying it's a RAPE TRADE

Prawn is saying it's just a trade.

He's saying it's just a trade, but he knows the real score.

**Goulet** · 11-13-2012, 11:04 AM

Lol @ Porn comparing FRSL to here.

Clearly different talent evaluations.

And yes if this trade is indicative of Roturn being a so called veteran that's poor.

AllRim · 11-13-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Porn Player

Roturn is a FRSL veteran, he knows the ratings so your hypothesis is complete bullshit Goulet, not to mention disrespectful to both Roturn and myself.

FRSL ratings way different than KVBL you should know this

AllRim · 11-13-2012, 11:07 AM

Even KJ stated to kick it off that he would have vetoed this but didn't to teach Roturn for future talent evaluations.

**Porn Player** · 11-13-2012, 11:08 AM

They use the exact same engine, you guys are just embarrassing yourself.

Roturn · 11-13-2012, 11:10 AM

Well. Then let`s see it as extra challenge for me to bring the Cavs back to the playoffs.

omer51 · 11-13-2012, 11:11 AM

the only thing that KVBL similar to FRSL is that in both leagues you were/are garbage GM...

AllRim · 11-13-2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by omer51

the only thing that KVBL similar to FRSL is that in both league you were/are garbage GM...

death chop by omer

**Porn Player** · 11-13-2012, 11:21 AM

I made the ECF the one year I could stand to be around the ineptitude of an Omer ran league.

You kids need to stop with your making things up.

JerryWest · 11-13-2012, 12:19 PM

Matt Kilmartin is a player that is only useful for tanking like Ortiz. He has zero trade value unless a team is using him to tank. Cavs could have kept the worse record with Akers considering they had the worst or 2nd worst record with Akers.

Ratings are completely different depending on what the base average is. Any owner in JSB knows this, especially the KVBL ones which have been around the longest. FRSL owners are less likely to know this, bc they only have one league as a baseline.

Ratings def mean diff things depending on how commish structures average ratings. IE reb regularly declines in TC in KVBL, but rarely does so in FRSL because rookies are toned down in terms of extremes of ratings.

Player value changes are also very diff depending how commishes structures rookie on avg based on what I said previously. 2g% historically maintains in FRSL based on rookies, in KVBL usually decline 1 pt, sometimes more depending on strength of incoming rookies.

**Porn Player** · 11-13-2012, 12:24 PM

So what your saying is the KVBL is likely to rob Akers of his rebounding over time.

Matt Kilmartin will laugh at TC.

Roturn has robbed me.

Smath · 11-13-2012, 12:30 PM

hes saying that a player like Akers seem pretty madicore in FRSL , and Kilmartin seems better then he really is , I think thats what he meant ~_~

JerryWest · 11-13-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Porn Player

So what your saying is the KVBL is likely to rob Akers of his rebounding over time.

Matt Kilmartin will laugh at TC.

Roturn has robbed me.

What players or picks would you be willing to give back for Kilmartin right now?

Probably only your shit backups that can't even play.

My case rests.

**BlakeJesus** · 11-13-2012, 12:35 PM

Training camp and offseason progressions are two different things Porn, you obviously know this. Progressions at the end of the season should see his ratings go up, then during TC depending on the rookie class, they will go down slightly to normalize the league average (but 90% of players will see this decrease so despite the less aesthetically pleasing ratings the impact of the lowered ratings are basically the same as they were right after progressions).

I'm shocked that there's anybody that's on the fence about this (here's looking at you Zei), the fact that KJ considered vetoing it because of how lopsided it was says all that needs to be said. Killmartin is a one trick pony who's been a complete underachiever since he was drafted and he was just traded for the 8th overall pick in last years draft. That's horrible value, and I don't see how anybody can dispute that.

I have a feeling this trade is going to be bumped in two or three seasons and it's going to look even worse than it does now.

11-13-2012, 10:55 AM	#46 (permalink)
Porn Player Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jolly Ingerland.. Age: 25 Posts: 26,067 Rep Power: 21474873	Roturn is a FRSL veteran, he knows the ratings so your hypothesis is complete bullshit Goulet, not to mention disrespectful to both Roturn and myself. __________________

11-13-2012, 11:04 AM	#48 (permalink)
Goulet The Master Of Panic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: VA Posts: 3,046 Rep Power: 915585	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London Lol @ Porn comparing FRSL to here. Clearly different talent evaluations. And yes if this trade is indicative of Roturn being a so called veteran that's poor. __________________

11-13-2012, 11:07 AM	#50 (permalink)
AllRim Star Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Age: 29 Posts: 3,230 Rep Power: 449802	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London Even KJ stated to kick it off that he would have vetoed this but didn't to teach Roturn for future talent evaluations. __________________ FRSL Toronto Raptors - Home Court Igloo advantage KVBL Grizzlies - The team that traded Duke and all their picks, to get nothing in return. Gary level achieved.

11-13-2012, 11:08 AM	#51 (permalink)
Porn Player Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jolly Ingerland.. Age: 25 Posts: 26,067 Rep Power: 21474873	They use the exact same engine, you guys are just embarrassing yourself. __________________

11-13-2012, 11:10 AM	#52 (permalink)
Roturn Player Join Date: Apr 2012 Age: 24 Posts: 835 Rep Power: 2	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London Well. Then let`s see it as extra challenge for me to bring the Cavs back to the playoffs. __________________ FRSL - Orlando Magic KVBL - Cleveland Cavaliers BBBL - Orlando Magic

11-13-2012, 11:11 AM	#53 (permalink)
omer51 All-Star Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 6,240 Rep Power: 1391452	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London the only thing that KVBL similar to FRSL is that in both leagues you were/are garbage GM... __________________ FRSL commissioner Sonics Last edited by omer51; 11-13-2012 at 11:18 AM.

11-13-2012, 11:21 AM	#55 (permalink)
Porn Player Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jolly Ingerland.. Age: 25 Posts: 26,067 Rep Power: 21474873	I made the ECF the one year I could stand to be around the ineptitude of an Omer ran league. You kids need to stop with your making things up. __________________

11-13-2012, 12:19 PM	#56 (permalink)
JerryWest All-Star Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 8,391 Rep Power: 2185328	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London Matt Kilmartin is a player that is only useful for tanking like Ortiz. He has zero trade value unless a team is using him to tank. Cavs could have kept the worse record with Akers considering they had the worst or 2nd worst record with Akers. Ratings are completely different depending on what the base average is. Any owner in JSB knows this, especially the KVBL ones which have been around the longest. FRSL owners are less likely to know this, bc they only have one league as a baseline. Ratings def mean diff things depending on how commish structures average ratings. IE reb regularly declines in TC in KVBL, but rarely does so in FRSL because rookies are toned down in terms of extremes of ratings. Player value changes are also very diff depending how commishes structures rookie on avg based on what I said previously. 2g% historically maintains in FRSL based on rookies, in KVBL usually decline 1 pt, sometimes more depending on strength of incoming rookies. __________________ KVBL Basketball Sim, Los Angeles Lakers FRSL, Los Angeles Lakers Season 2 Champs (64-18), Season 4 Champs (66-16), Season 5 Champs (72-10)

11-13-2012, 12:24 PM	#57 (permalink)
Porn Player Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jolly Ingerland.. Age: 25 Posts: 26,067 Rep Power: 21474873	So what your saying is the KVBL is likely to rob Akers of his rebounding over time. Matt Kilmartin will laugh at TC. Roturn has robbed me. __________________

11-13-2012, 12:30 PM	#58 (permalink)
Smath All-Star Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tel-Aviv Israel Posts: 5,076 Rep Power: 344832	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London hes saying that a player like Akers seem pretty madicore in FRSL , and Kilmartin seems better then he really is , I think thats what he meant ~_~ __________________ KVBL/FRSL - Miami Heat GM 2029 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) Lineup - PG Sergio Jose Salvadores \| SG Chris Love \| SF Malcolm Xavier \| PF Skyler McClean \| C Dwight Howard \| 6th man SG Edd Timmons Finals MVP: Malcolm Xavier 2025 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) Lineup - PG Chris Love \| SG Gerrod Clifton \| SF Malcolm Xavier \| PF Skyler McClean \| C Jeremy James \| 6th man SG Edd Timmons Finals MVP: Skyler McClean 2016-2017 FRSL Champions PG: Jrue Holiday /// SG: Monta Ellis /// SF: Josh Smith /// PF: Tim Duncan /// C: Andrew Bynum /// 6th player: Devin Ebanks /// Playoffs MVP: Andew Bynum

11-13-2012, 12:35 PM	#60 (permalink)
BlakeJesus Community Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Age: 23 Posts: 16,832 Rep Power: 12803037	Re: Trade: Cleveland and London Training camp and offseason progressions are two different things Porn, you obviously know this. Progressions at the end of the season should see his ratings go up, then during TC depending on the rookie class, they will go down slightly to normalize the league average (but 90% of players will see this decrease so despite the less aesthetically pleasing ratings the impact of the lowered ratings are basically the same as they were right after progressions). I'm shocked that there's anybody that's on the fence about this (here's looking at you Zei), the fact that KJ considered vetoing it because of how lopsided it was says all that needs to be said. Killmartin is a one trick pony who's been a complete underachiever since he was drafted and he was just traded for the 8th overall pick in last years draft. That's horrible value, and I don't see how anybody can dispute that. I have a feeling this trade is going to be bumped in two or three seasons and it's going to look even worse than it does now. __________________ Jalen Rose - "Positions were created so the novice could follow the game. You ARE your skillset." 2024 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2026 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2027 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks

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