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**King Joseus** · 12-20-2012, 01:56 AM

Cleveland trades: Barry Wagner
Cleveland receives: DaeSean Clay, Adrian Wallace, 2029 first round pick, 2030 first round pick

Vancouver trades: DaeSean Clay, Adrian Wallace, 2029 first round pick, 2030 first round pick
Vancouver receives: Barry Wagner

Deal is official.

**King Joseus** · 12-20-2012, 02:13 AM

Wagner's low foul rate might be a problem next to Strauss, but otherwise this is going to make Vancouver rather dangerous on offense.

awaywehappened · 12-20-2012, 02:16 AM

Why?

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MemphisX · 12-20-2012, 03:06 AM

Did Chip Fookes get better this offseason?

Roturn · 12-20-2012, 03:07 AM

I wasn`t able to build a team around him last season. So I decided to go a different way.
Clay isn`t bad either and 2 years younger. Even a bit better in defence and not a bad foul rate as well. Wallace let`s see how he improves. Only 22.

This also makes a bit more room in capspace free so that I should have quite enough room for a big offer this offseason.

And with Carter!, Hightower, Clay, Wallace, Hutchings, Drayton I have a great young core to build a team around.

Plus Barry started to decrease a bit already. So I thought now would be the best time to trade him.

omer51 · 12-20-2012, 04:59 AM

no gutte Roturn...

Roturn · 12-20-2012, 05:25 AM

I know that this wasn`t the most perfect trade. But I wanted to change something with my team to stop being mediocre only. And I thought it might be a good restart without Wagner.
And sometimes you have to go risks.

Smath · 12-20-2012, 07:05 AM

I find a bright side in this , West gets abit stronger over East expense ~_~

Like this alot more for the Lions though.

Zei_Zao_LS · 12-20-2012, 08:54 AM

I love the firepower the Lions have now. Fookes/Wagner/Strauss probably the best 3/4/5 in the league.

**Prince** · 12-20-2012, 09:00 AM

I like it for both teams.

scdn · 12-20-2012, 09:21 AM

I hate this for the Lions as this matches my move for Byers

**El Shaqtus** · 12-20-2012, 09:34 AM

This is the off-season of super big men going East to West.

Take 2.

**Prince** · 12-20-2012, 09:36 AM

Techinically Byers went from West to East to West.

**El Shaqtus** · 12-20-2012, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince

Techinically Byers went from West to East to West.

He also wanted to dominate the not-yet existent Northern and Southern Conferences.

**Prince** · 12-20-2012, 09:39 AM

In that case, if he wants to come to Milwaukee under good (cheap) terms, I'll be fine with that.

12-20-2012, 01:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
King Joseus Are You Ready Join Date: May 2003 Location: Zhengzhou Age: 25 Posts: 34,461 Rep Power: 9733002	Trade: Cleveland and Vancouver Cleveland trades: Barry Wagner Cleveland receives: DaeSean Clay, Adrian Wallace, 2029 first round pick, 2030 first round pick Vancouver trades: DaeSean Clay, Adrian Wallace, 2029 first round pick, 2030 first round pick Vancouver receives: Barry Wagner Deal is official. __________________ Interested in joining the KVBL? PM me for information.

12-20-2012, 02:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
King Joseus Are You Ready Join Date: May 2003 Location: Zhengzhou Age: 25 Posts: 34,461 Rep Power: 9733002	Re: Trade: Cleveland and Vancouver Wagner's low foul rate might be a problem next to Strauss, but otherwise this is going to make Vancouver rather dangerous on offense. __________________ Interested in joining the KVBL? PM me for information.

12-20-2012, 02:16 AM	#3 (permalink)
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12-20-2012, 03:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
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12-20-2012, 03:07 AM	#5 (permalink)
Roturn Player Join Date: Apr 2012 Age: 24 Posts: 843 Rep Power: 2	Re: Trade: Cleveland and Vancouver I wasn`t able to build a team around him last season. So I decided to go a different way. Clay isn`t bad either and 2 years younger. Even a bit better in defence and not a bad foul rate as well. Wallace let`s see how he improves. Only 22. This also makes a bit more room in capspace free so that I should have quite enough room for a big offer this offseason. And with Carter!, Hightower, Clay, Wallace, Hutchings, Drayton I have a great young core to build a team around. Plus Barry started to decrease a bit already. So I thought now would be the best time to trade him. __________________ FRSL - Orlando Magic KVBL - Cleveland Cavaliers BBBL - Orlando Magic

12-20-2012, 04:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
omer51 All-Star Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 6,241 Rep Power: 1391452	Re: Trade: Cleveland and Vancouver no gutte Roturn... __________________ FRSL commissioner Sonics

12-20-2012, 05:25 AM	#7 (permalink)
Roturn Player Join Date: Apr 2012 Age: 24 Posts: 843 Rep Power: 2	Re: Trade: Cleveland and Vancouver I know that this wasn`t the most perfect trade. But I wanted to change something with my team to stop being mediocre only. And I thought it might be a good restart without Wagner. And sometimes you have to go risks. __________________ FRSL - Orlando Magic KVBL - Cleveland Cavaliers BBBL - Orlando Magic

12-20-2012, 07:05 AM	#8 (permalink)
Smath All-Star Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tel-Aviv Israel Posts: 5,076 Rep Power: 344832	Re: Trade: Cleveland and Vancouver I find a bright side in this , West gets abit stronger over East expense ~_~ Like this alot more for the Lions though. __________________ KVBL/FRSL - Miami Heat GM 2029 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) Lineup - PG Sergio Jose Salvadores \| SG Chris Love \| SF Malcolm Xavier \| PF Skyler McClean \| C Dwight Howard \| 6th man SG Edd Timmons Finals MVP: Malcolm Xavier 2025 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) Lineup - PG Chris Love \| SG Gerrod Clifton \| SF Malcolm Xavier \| PF Skyler McClean \| C Jeremy James \| 6th man SG Edd Timmons Finals MVP: Skyler McClean 2016-2017 FRSL Champions PG: Jrue Holiday /// SG: Monta Ellis /// SF: Josh Smith /// PF: Tim Duncan /// C: Andrew Bynum /// 6th player: Devin Ebanks /// Playoffs MVP: Andew Bynum

12-20-2012, 08:54 AM	#9 (permalink)
Zei_Zao_LS Self-Proclaimed Expert Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I thought you were a'right in that one movie. Age: 24 Posts: 3,388 Rep Power: 2810067	Re: Trade: Cleveland and Vancouver I love the firepower the Lions have now. Fookes/Wagner/Strauss probably the best 3/4/5 in the league. __________________ KVBL Sim League - 2033-34 Phoenix Suns PG: Agustin Paredes SG: Michael Shakur SF: Tomer Hefetz PF: Rick Lucas C: Dre Byers Bench: Ralfs Kokorevics, Corey Walters, Leon Richardson, Larry Burge, Drake Evans, DeVonn Dawkins, Sky Johnson, Spyros Delios BBBL Sim League - 2012-13 Phoenix Suns PG: Rajon Rondo SG: Thabo Sefolosha SF: Carlos Delfino PF: Nikola Pekovic C: Roy Hibbert Bench: Kyle Korver, Delonte West, Tony Battie, Shelden Williams, John Jenkins, Luke Zeller

12-20-2012, 09:00 AM	#10 (permalink)
Prince Formerly Known as Quite Frankly Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 22 Posts: 11,809 Rep Power: 4606109	Re: Trade: Cleveland and Vancouver I like it for both teams. __________________ 2032 KVBL Champions: Milwaukee Bucks (Prince) Lineup - PG D'Angelo McMillian \| SG Eddy Sweet \| SF Cameron Clothier \| PF Mario Rogic \| C Greg Hope \| 6th man C Andre Wright Finals MVP: Greg Hope 2033 KVBL Champions: Milwaukee Bucks (Prince) Lineup - PG D'Angelo McMillian \| SG Joseph McDaniels \| SF Cameron Clothier \| PF Mario Rogic \| C Greg Hope \| 6th man C Peter Acres Finals MVP: Greg Hope Fear the Deer Minnesota Timberwolves

12-20-2012, 09:21 AM	#11 (permalink)
scdn History will repeat after 20 years Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 3,538 Rep Power: 1626404	Re: Trade: Cleveland and Vancouver I hate this for the Lions as this matches my move for Byers __________________ KVBL Owner, San Antonio Spurs Quincy McCall/Bo Roberts Mikel Opoku/Willie Worsley Norberto Rosas Harry Kingsley Casey Schuler/Richard Osborn

12-20-2012, 09:34 AM	#12 (permalink)
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12-20-2012, 09:36 AM	#13 (permalink)
Prince Formerly Known as Quite Frankly Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 22 Posts: 11,809 Rep Power: 4606109	Re: Trade: Cleveland and Vancouver Techinically Byers went from West to East to West. __________________ 2032 KVBL Champions: Milwaukee Bucks (Prince) Lineup - PG D'Angelo McMillian \| SG Eddy Sweet \| SF Cameron Clothier \| PF Mario Rogic \| C Greg Hope \| 6th man C Andre Wright Finals MVP: Greg Hope 2033 KVBL Champions: Milwaukee Bucks (Prince) Lineup - PG D'Angelo McMillian \| SG Joseph McDaniels \| SF Cameron Clothier \| PF Mario Rogic \| C Greg Hope \| 6th man C Peter Acres Finals MVP: Greg Hope Fear the Deer Minnesota Timberwolves

12-20-2012, 09:39 AM	#15 (permalink)
Prince Formerly Known as Quite Frankly Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 22 Posts: 11,809 Rep Power: 4606109	Re: Trade: Cleveland and Vancouver In that case, if he wants to come to Milwaukee under good (cheap) terms, I'll be fine with that. __________________ 2032 KVBL Champions: Milwaukee Bucks (Prince) Lineup - PG D'Angelo McMillian \| SG Eddy Sweet \| SF Cameron Clothier \| PF Mario Rogic \| C Greg Hope \| 6th man C Andre Wright Finals MVP: Greg Hope 2033 KVBL Champions: Milwaukee Bucks (Prince) Lineup - PG D'Angelo McMillian \| SG Joseph McDaniels \| SF Cameron Clothier \| PF Mario Rogic \| C Greg Hope \| 6th man C Peter Acres Finals MVP: Greg Hope Fear the Deer Minnesota Timberwolves

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