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**Prince** · 01-13-2013, 12:21 AM

Zei will never win a title with Jude. Book it.

Smath · 01-13-2013, 05:50 AM

Jude is over rated imo , celts deff wins this value whise.

**Porn Player** · 01-13-2013, 06:50 AM

I went after Jude.

I still would if Zei decided to move him. Great player.

omer51 · 01-13-2013, 07:16 AM

I think Sandow is the overated here although age wise i can understand why, but still i think hey Jude is one of the best player in KVBL.

fsecreast · 01-13-2013, 07:49 AM

Couple guys came hard for Jude and almost had him. Porn actually presented a very good offer which was on the same level of this deal. KevinBlazer had a good offer as well. And of course Aero was in the mix.

Mikhailov is the next guy to go. Already have a couple offers on the table so if you're interested make sure you let me know. Jukka also is available.

**BlakeJesus** · 01-13-2013, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omer51

I think Sandow is the overated here although age wise i can understand why, but still i think hey Jude is one of the best player in KVBL.

How is Sandow overrated? 23 years old and he might be the best PG in the league already. He has great 1-9's on both sides of the ball, is a guy who can score 18+ a game, is a solid passer, really good ballhandler, has a rebounding edge as a PG, and he's even a mildly good defensive playmaker (which is upgraded by his great foul rate).

He also gives you a lot of the same flexibility that Jude does in that you can use them as a non-PG primary ballhandler, meaning you can play different types of guys around them.

I prefer Sandow to Jude, though I can see that it's more perspective and context than that.

omer51 · 01-13-2013, 11:59 AM

6/2.2 asist-turnover ratio is pretty medicore for a PG imo, but I'm taking back my word about calling him overated (he does have amazing 1-9 ). I always like wings like Jude who you can have much more possibilities
to build around them rather then build around great PG i the normal way so i still also like this deal for Zie.

**BlakeJesus** · 01-13-2013, 12:05 PM

For a primary ballhandler that's absolutely just fine, I didn't say it was elite, but what I did say is that he's capable of being your teams primary ballhandler.

fsecreast · 01-13-2013, 12:10 PM

He's also PG/SG/SF eligible. But I still think Jude is the better player. Hits rebounding is in a whole different league. He not only allows you to have a weak ballhandler at PG but he also can make up for inferior rebounding at in the frontcourt. He would've been perfect next to a guy like Novak back in the day.

omer51 · 01-13-2013, 12:12 PM

I not sure about it. if Kj could give us his makes player better rating it was much more clear imo.

fsecreast · 01-13-2013, 01:26 PM

He also has a low foul rate and his steal rating keeps getting higher and higher. He was over two last season.

**Goulet** · 01-13-2013, 02:00 PM

we know Zei likes Jude as he said so in the podcast.

Will Jude/Rhett and their TO issues be a problem though.....

MemphisX · 01-13-2013, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goulet

we know Zei likes Jude as he said so in the podcast.

Will Jude/Rhett and their TO issues be a problem though.....

With Spaceman and a MLEish PG...yes

Zei_Zao_LS · 01-13-2013, 04:29 PM

Turnovers and the distinct lack of a starter caliber PG are definitely question marks going into the draft/FA.

01-13-2013, 12:21 AM	#16 (permalink)
Prince Formerly Known as Quite Frankly Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 22 Posts: 11,764 Rep Power: 4532849	Re: Trade: Boston and Phoenix Zei will never win a title with Jude. Book it. __________________ 2032 KVBL Champions: Milwaukee Bucks (Prince) Lineup - PG D'Angelo McMillian \| SG Eddy Sweet \| SF Cameron Clothier \| PF Mario Rogic \| C Greg Hope \| 6th man C Andre Wright Finals MVP: Greg Hope 2033 KVBL Champions: Milwaukee Bucks (Prince) Lineup - PG D'Angelo McMillian \| SG Joseph McDaniels \| SF Cameron Clothier \| PF Mario Rogic \| C Greg Hope \| 6th man C Peter Acres Finals MVP: Greg Hope Fear the Deer Minnesota Timberwolves

01-13-2013, 05:50 AM	#17 (permalink)
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01-13-2013, 06:50 AM	#18 (permalink)
Porn Player Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jolly Ingerland.. Age: 25 Posts: 25,954 Rep Power: 21474872	Re: Trade: Boston and Phoenix I went after Jude. I still would if Zei decided to move him. Great player. __________________

01-13-2013, 07:16 AM	#19 (permalink)
omer51 All-Star Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 6,171 Rep Power: 1391452	Re: Trade: Boston and Phoenix I think Sandow is the overated here although age wise i can understand why, but still i think hey Jude is one of the best player in KVBL. __________________ FRSL commissioner Sonics

01-13-2013, 07:49 AM	#20 (permalink)
fsecreast Star Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 2,832 Rep Power: 234297	Re: Trade: Boston and Phoenix Couple guys came hard for Jude and almost had him. Porn actually presented a very good offer which was on the same level of this deal. KevinBlazer had a good offer as well. And of course Aero was in the mix. Mikhailov is the next guy to go. Already have a couple offers on the table so if you're interested make sure you let me know. Jukka also is available.

01-13-2013, 11:59 AM	#22 (permalink)
omer51 All-Star Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 6,171 Rep Power: 1391452	Re: Trade: Boston and Phoenix 6/2.2 asist-turnover ratio is pretty medicore for a PG imo, but I'm taking back my word about calling him overated (he does have amazing 1-9 ). I always like wings like Jude who you can have much more possibilities to build around them rather then build around great PG i the normal way so i still also like this deal for Zie. __________________ FRSL commissioner Sonics

01-13-2013, 12:05 PM	#23 (permalink)
BlakeJesus Community Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Age: 23 Posts: 16,769 Rep Power: 12803037	Re: Trade: Boston and Phoenix For a primary ballhandler that's absolutely just fine, I didn't say it was elite, but what I did say is that he's capable of being your teams primary ballhandler. __________________ Jalen Rose - "Positions were created so the novice could follow the game. You ARE your skillset." 2024 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2026 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2027 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks

01-13-2013, 12:10 PM	#24 (permalink)
fsecreast Star Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 2,832 Rep Power: 234297	Re: Trade: Boston and Phoenix He's also PG/SG/SF eligible. But I still think Jude is the better player. Hits rebounding is in a whole different league. He not only allows you to have a weak ballhandler at PG but he also can make up for inferior rebounding at in the frontcourt. He would've been perfect next to a guy like Novak back in the day.

01-13-2013, 12:12 PM	#25 (permalink)
omer51 All-Star Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 6,171 Rep Power: 1391452	Re: Trade: Boston and Phoenix I not sure about it. if Kj could give us his makes player better rating it was much more clear imo. __________________ FRSL commissioner Sonics

01-13-2013, 01:26 PM	#26 (permalink)
fsecreast Star Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 2,832 Rep Power: 234297	Re: Trade: Boston and Phoenix He also has a low foul rate and his steal rating keeps getting higher and higher. He was over two last season.

01-13-2013, 02:00 PM	#27 (permalink)
Goulet The Master Of Panic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: VA Posts: 3,000 Rep Power: 915585	Re: Trade: Boston and Phoenix we know Zei likes Jude as he said so in the podcast. Will Jude/Rhett and their TO issues be a problem though..... __________________

01-13-2013, 04:29 PM	#29 (permalink)
Zei_Zao_LS Self-Proclaimed Expert Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I thought you were a'right in that one movie. Age: 24 Posts: 3,371 Rep Power: 2810067	Re: Trade: Boston and Phoenix Turnovers and the distinct lack of a starter caliber PG are definitely question marks going into the draft/FA. __________________ KVBL Sim League - 2032-33 Phoenix Suns PG: Agustin Paredes SG: Michael Shakur SF: Tomer Hefetz PF: Terry Howard C: Ken Akers Bench: DeVonn Dawkins, Henry Tobback, Salvatore Fantastigas, Douglas Ridenhour, Kyle Molidor, Erick Best, Darius Sams BBBL Sim League - 2012-13 Phoenix Suns PG: Rajon Rondo SG: Thabo Sefolosha SF: Carlos Delfino PF: Nikola Pekovic C: Roy Hibbert Bench: Kyle Korver, Delonte West, Tony Battie, Shelden Williams, John Jenkins, Luke Zeller

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