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Old 07-05-2004, 09:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Miami/LaClippers

if kobe doesnt sign with the LAClippers

Miami trades:
Caron Butler


LA Clippers trades:
Chris Wilcox

Maggette could be move to SG and Butler to SF.

Clippers lineup:
Livingston
Maggette
Butler
Brand
Kaman


what do u think of the trade?
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Old 07-05-2004, 09:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Why they dont need Caron? They need to get a point.
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Old 07-05-2004, 09:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I know but i kind of bored and IMO it is much better than the Butler for Gooden deal.
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Old 07-05-2004, 09:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I know but i kind of bored and IMO it is much better than the Butler for Gooden deal.
lol....

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lol....

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Why they dont need Caron? They need to get a point.
They just drafted a point guard. They dont need to acquire one in a trade. They can easily sign a veteran backup type PG in free agency, and thats all they need. They dont need anyone who is going to take minutes away from Livingston, hindering his development.

If the Clippers do not get Kobe, I would love to make this deal for Caron Butler. Ive had similar thoughts in the past.

Caron Butler is a much better fit for the Clippers with Maggette than Quentin Richardson is.

Butler has far superior ball handling ability when compared to Q. If we run a lineup of Livingston(or whatever PG), Q, and Maggette, there is only one player on the perimeter that can bring the ball up and initiate the offense. There is only one player that can handle the ball on the break. There is only one player that has the ability to create for others.

That will result in the offense slowing down because there is no versatility among the perimeter players. All the playmaking duties fall solely on the point guard, and you need more than one creator on the floor.

Butler can bring the ball up and initiate the break. He can score almost as good as Q as well.

On defense, Butler again is a superior player to Q. He would provide the team with better defense, which is something the team is lacking on the perimeter.

With Butler over Q, the Clippers improve their ball handling, their passing ability, their ability to run the break, and their defense. The only thing they may lose is about 2 points per game from the individual from Q to Butler(Butler is better than he showed this year, as he struggled to come back from his injury and when he came back, his role on the team had diminished because of the emergence of Wade and additon of Odom).
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With those guys there would be another Jam at the wings. And people would get upset with minutes. You need poeple who will accept a role on the bench. If we kept Q that would happen. If they just kept Caron then they wouldnt have outside shooting. The clips need a good point not some bottom of the barell vet.
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It is pretty pointless to sign or trade for a good point guard right now. They just drafted Livingston, and if you bring in a good PG, all he is going to do is sit the bench. That makes no sense, and is a waste of the pick.

The Clippers should not be pursuing anything at the PG position other than a stopgap for a year, maybe two for Livingston. And whoever they get should not command huge minutes so that Livingston is kept on the bench.

As for getting Butler ... that makes Q expendable, so no, there would not be a glut of wing players on the team.

As for the shooting issue, Q is not a great shooter either. Butler had a down year this year, but thats not the norm for him. He is a better shooter than he displayed this year. He's not a bad shooter, and he's not a great shooter. Thats the same with Q. Q is only marginally better. The upgrades Butler would provide in other key areas far outweigh the slight advantage Q has in shooting.
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