arenas809

I would rather have Frahm than Jon Barry, he would provide the same production, and yet he's younger, and much cheaper.

And this is from today's Oregonian...

"A debate that often was animated and emotional raged in the back hallways of Salt Lake Community College on Monday between Richie Frahm and Trail Blazers coach Maurice Cheeks, and later between general manager John Nash and Frahm and his representation. The crux of the heated discussions was whether Frahm, a shooting guard who signed a temporary contract last week, is getting a fair shot at making the Blazers' roster.

The crux of the heated discussions was whether Frahm, a shooting guard who signed a temporary contract last week, is getting a fair shot at making the Blazers' roster."

Get him out there, he signed a temporary contract that becomes guaranteed September 1st.

RD

I dont know where you get the idea that Frahm is as good as Barry, but, simply put, he is not.

He is nowhere near the defender, and he does not bring the veteran presence we need.

Barry has shot just as good as Frahm over a longer period time. Frahm doesnt even have the shooting edge right now, and thats the one area he might have.

The only reason for Frahm over Barry is cost. And since we have the money, we might as well get the better player. Barry would do a lot more for this team than Frahm would.

arenas809

Ya we have money, but that means we have to spend it?

I don't see the point, we're on the outside looking in in terms of the playoffs and you don't spend money just to lose...

How much of a difference does Barry make if he's injured?

I'm sure Frahm can give us close to the 6 ppg that Barry would provide and a much cheaper cost and he shoots it just as well, when did Barry become this big defensive stopper?

We'll probably let our money roll over to next year, we always do...

RD

LoL ... If Barry get hurt? What if Frahm gets hurt?

Injuries are a part of the game, and you dont knock one guy for possibly getting hurt and let another slide because of that. It doesn't make any sense.

You dont pay a guy to lose .... In paying Barry, you are bringing in a very good defender(which is a HUGE upgrade over Frahm), who can handle the ball, and shoot it. But, most importantly, Barry is a guy who will yell at people and get in their face if they dont work hard. He's played in a ton of playoff games and NBA games period.

The leadership he could provide is invaluable. Its not all about points or anything else in the box score.

You spend money to improve your team. Signing Jon Barry does improve this team. And, it would help set up the team for long term success. If Shaun Livingston sees Jon Barry barking out orders for guys who are not playing hard, he learns about what it takes to be a vocal leader. If he learns to do that, Livingston's impact on the team becomes even greater.

Frahm brings none of this. He's cheaper - Big deal.

Barry will get a deal that is at most, 3mill per. He provides help on the court and in the leadership area. He certainly brings value for the money. He is not a guy you would say you are signing just to spend money. He has a legitimate value to a young team like ours.

Barry is a better player and brings the intangibles we need. He makes much more sense than Richie Frahm. I wouldnt mind Frahm in addition to Barry, but not instead of. Signing Frahm is just being cheap, and fits the same mold we have been doing for years. It's time to spend money, even if only 3mill, to upgrade the team. And Barry will help this team.

arenas809

I was referring to Barry's recent injury probs...of course Frahm could get hurt too.

BTW, ya we should spend money, but we won't...

I wouldn't mind though if we signed Frahm, signed N'Diaye, signed D Miles to a deal at 5 or 5.5 million...

RD

Barry played in 80+ games the two years before this past season.

As for Miles, I would love to do that. It eliminates the need for Barry(because of his defense ability, though Barry's experience and leadership would still help, but we wouldnt have the money anymore). But, if we only offer him a deal of 5 to 5.5, Portland will match IMO. Samereasons as Q - Even if they dont want him, they can get something in return for him via trade. We'd have to get creative, and offer him a front loaded deal of some sort I would imagine. Even that might not hinder them, but we'll see how it goes.

DatSupadoopaballer

Portland said Miles was expendable and i hope he goes to the clips, but he's considering the nuggets and jazz

RD

Neither place can match what LA offers.

LA can offer more money than either place.

LA can offer a better city(according to Miles, who by most accounts, misses LA).

LA can offer playing with Q again.

I dont see any reason to go to Utah. I think Miles would be bored out of his mind, and would be stuck on the bench. With Harpring, Giricek, Kirilenko, and SNyder at the 2/3, there isnt much time for him. With Boozer and Humphries at the 4, there is no time there either. We offer PT at all of these spots for him.

But, I still think Portland would match. His contract is not going to be outrageous, so they'll be able to make it work.

yamaneko

When did they say he was expendable? I heard that the owner said they would match any offer for him, thus making it more likely he would sign the qualifying offer so that he could be unrestricted next year.

Also, Are not utah and denver maxed out now because of the boozer and martin deals?

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arenas809

Portland has lowballed Miles...

Ya they're saying they'll match but..

They have Woods, Outlaw, Patterson, Khryapa, Monia (next year) and they're looking at possibly signing Darius Rice, where's room for Miles other than to tie up cap space?

I'd call their bluff on this one...

yamaneko

i hope your right, but my pessimistic attitude tells me otherwise. It would be PERFECT if they can resign Q AND get miles back. Heck, they could have that roster with 9 people and id be happy.

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arenas809

I'm confident that a little bit over MLE deal will get Darius back into a Clipper uniform.

RD

They are also rumored to be close to signing Trenton Hassell to a 4 year, 16mill deal.

There was a report saying that they may be leaning to letting him go if he signs another deal. But, that could just be to entice another team to extend an offer, and then they match.

yamaneko

portland is rumored to sign hassell?

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yamaneko

yes. and if the twolves dont match, AND if they keep miles, they would already hve 14 on their roster WITHOUT Frahm, Rice, Ha, Monia, and Nedzad.

Wonder if the clippers could perhaps threaten a big contract like denver did with kmart, if they can perhaps pull a sign and trade...perhaps getting miles and Ha (or just miles) for some future draft picks and josh moore . It would help out portland with the salary (arent they at 75 million or something ridiculous like that?), and it would mean that they could get something back instead of loosing miles for nothing...

I wouldnt mind giving a 1 and some 2's or even 2-3 number 1's for miles and ha. If they pull that off, and sign Q, it means any draft pick for the clippers probably wouldnt do anything anyway, since the clippers would have brand, kaman, mags, miles, Q, livingston, perhaps Ha and sofo all locked up for years. Also, that team would be a playoff team, and would not have a high first round pick anyway. Also, if they really WANTED draft picks back, im sure they could get a number one or so for wilcox...wilcox would be expendable if they get miles and ha, since miles could back up brand at PF, and ha could play some garbage C minutes along with N'Diyaye.

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