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**yamaneko** · 01-05-2005, 01:21 AM

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basket...rts-nba-clippe

This probably takes away any chances that he can be traded, as his stock will go down even more with this injury, and being out, let alone the fact that he probably couldnt pass a physical.

Livingston went through some drills, so hopefully he will be back in a month still.

Kittles no word on how his second epidural went. He is the one we need the most right now since hes the only one who has a chance at coming back soon, plus he can play 3 positions.

**Weasel** · 01-05-2005, 11:22 AM

So that puts the current roster at 9? Not including any new signings. Wow if the Clippers get in foul trouble it won't be pretty.

**yamaneko** · 01-05-2005, 02:23 PM

They should reactivate n'diyaye unless he really is injured, which i doubt. Just for emergency. Clippers still are 4 deep in the front court, but if you have the roster spot open, why not activate him.

**Weasel** · 01-05-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by <b>yamaneko</b>!
They should reactivate n'diyaye unless he really is injured, which i doubt. Just for emergency. Clippers still are 4 deep in the front court, but if you have the roster spot open, why not activate him.

The Clippers must have read your post.

Wilcox put on IL and Mamadou was reactivated.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...v=st&type=lgns

**yamaneko** · 01-05-2005, 11:25 PM

Cool. Id like to see him get a couple minutes. Clippers problem right now is keeping offensive rebounds away from the other team...n'diyaye is a better rebounder than kaman and rebraca. too bad he doesnt have that much offensive game.

U Dont Know · 01-06-2005, 11:39 AM

WHAT!!!! Come on, better rebounder than Kaman?? You are out of you mind. If he was a better rebounder than Kaman he would be getting at least a few min. But the guy is worthless right now, he has been on the IR for the entire season almost. Why? Because he is not even worth dressing, unless someone gets hurt. Come on yamaneko you know better than that...

Milk · 01-07-2005, 10:49 PM

Yam you gotta be kidding me! And just when I was beginning to think you kinda knew what you were talking about you go and say something like that. Kaman ( 100% healthy) is the best rebounder on this team. You'll see soon enough. He just needs to gain some confidence. THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK, my good man. Right on U DON'T KNOW!!! The constant persuit of the truth. Down with the MAN.

**yamaneko** · 01-07-2005, 10:58 PM

What are you guys talking about? Did you see the summer league? Have you been watching the games lately? Kaman at 100% no doubt is better, but up until this point in time, kaman has consistently missed 30% of the rebounds his way. Something is wrong with his hands or his timinig or something....the balls just bounce off of his hands non stop. You hear lawler saying non stop, "kaman cant control the rebound," "kaman loses it to the defender." "off kamans hands, but brand picks it up, etc." You guys know i love kaman, but im just calling it like i have seen it in the 14+ games i have seen.

Howver, n'diyaye is a beast on the boards. If anyone watched the summer league games, you would see that he rarely missed a board going his way.

Kaman, 100% healthy is marginally better than n'diaye on the boards, yes. But by no means is he the best rebounder on the team. His rebounds he gets usually when hes around a bunch of shorter players, or long rebounds that bounce right to him, or getting his own rebound off of a missed shot. The best rebounder on the team by FAR is Brand. He gets rebounds consistently when he has 3 guys around him. over taller players, etc...he tips the ball to himself, he is one of the best rebounders in the league, let alone the clippers. Also i would rate moore as a better rebounder than kaman at this point, as well as wilcox, beacuse of their incredible timing on the offensive glass.

Milk · 01-08-2005, 12:48 PM

two words Yam. "SUMMER LEAGUE" ..... WHERE if you recall kaman had 20 and 10 In the first half of the first game before getting hurt. mamadu is not the guy you think he is a decent defender and wilcox is not even close to the rebounder kaman is thats been proven on the court already look at there stats per 48 minutes. how man big last second rebounds has wilcox pulled down ...none hes soft when it comes to rebouning . kaman is tough down there once he gets some respect from the officiating and mabe a little stronger,youll see that those ones lawler is talking about 90% of the time there is a guard undercutting him or a post player going over his back . if you watch chris he refuses to flop like wilcox or brand when someone goes over his back he just digs in and keeps going after the ball . and as for brand I guess well just have to wait and see Its just my opinion.

**yamaneko** · 01-08-2005, 03:44 PM

Were comparing apples to apples though. I watched kaman in same summer league. He is my favorite player but he is nto a great rebounder. As i mentioend, most of the boards he got were because he was against a much smaller player or they went to him. But n'diyaye is like brand on the boards...gets boards that you really have to work for.. Hes more of a natural rebounder than kaman. Until kaman can stop giving away more than a quarter of his boards, i will consider n'diyaye the better natual rebounder. Thats one of the only reasons he can get on an nba roster, since he has little offensive game.

Wilcox has not even been in in crunch time, so i dont know of many "last second" big rebounds he has gotten. But at the same time, i cant remember him missing even 1/4 of the rebounds kaman misses. You say he misses the rebounds because he is fouled on the plays? Perhaps on SOME of them..many times no one is even around him. And on those "some" times, what....no one else is fouled when they get rebounds? But no one else seems to miss the number he does. If he is fouled, and the option is turning the ball over, then its actually a BAD move not to "flop." Again, most likely his POOR rebounding is due to having a bum knee, along with having surgery just a few weeks ago. Im sure his rebounding will improve. However, not in a million years will his rebounding come close to brand's. There are probably less than 5 forwards in the league who can compare to the natual rebounding prowess that brand has.

Zuca · 01-10-2005, 08:08 AM

Jaric, Wilcox injured? Oh, that's bad news...

TheClipSHow11 · 01-10-2005, 10:04 AM

I agree Yama...... Kaman is getting better and better - but still takes a rebound off the lips usually once every other game.

**Weasel** · 01-14-2005, 12:43 PM

Wilcox Discouraged After Second Opinion

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Probably not before next month, Coach Mike Dunleavy has said

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