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TheClipSHow11 · 05-24-2005, 04:55 PM

If we had Kobe - Dunleavy would have quit.

Now that is the Kobe (Uncoachable) factor.

**yamaneko** · 05-24-2005, 06:03 PM

dunleavvy was one of the ones personally lobbying for kobe last year....heck for all we know it could have been him telling sterling to let odom go so that the clippers could get him the next year. Remember, dunleavvy made lots of personal visits to kobe trying to convince him to come to the clippers

**CDRacingZX6R** · 05-25-2005, 12:11 AM

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Doesnt matter, hes a good player already. Even dunleavvy who knows his team a lot better than we do said that with livingston, we would have won half of the games we lost by short margins. doesnt matter if hes a rookie or a vet, the fact is, without him it was a big blow to us.

Wait a minute, youre trying to make my point!

My point is the clippers had way more injuries than the lakers, and over all at more key points, yet the clippers still had the depth to have a decent record. you made mypoint there..
No one is saying maggette is bryant. But you add up all of the clippers injuries, and at the time they happened, and it was way more serious than the lakers. Lakers had their starting point guard the whole year just about in atkins. Clippers for half of the year had rick brunson, their fourth string PG.

If kobe was on the clippers, no doubt would we still be in the playoffs, if we were in the spurs bracket. I dont think the spurs could have had an answer for all of the clippers weapons

I never said the Clippers didnt have a better team.. They REALLY had a better team in most areas I can think of... The problem is, there I think the Lakers main starters are better than the Clippers main starters. At least in the sense of Odom, Butler and Kobe, vs Brand, simmons, and corey. Although I think they are all good, I think the clippers have enough talent to make due when they had to to pull out a few extra games. But the Clippers didnt have near the problems the lakers had, which was my point. Coaching was the main problem, over injuries alone.. The coaching set the lakers to doom before the season ever started. Phil Jackson may change that next season, or it might be a crap shoot.

We played extremely good agisnt the Spurs, just needed someone to go to in the fourth, someone clutch. That could have been Kobe. I honestly think in the back of his head, he might even think he made the wrong decision. To late now though, but would have been awesome to see.

And as for Rick Brunson.. Looking at his numbers.. The Lakers would have killed to have Chucky Atkns at least someone that consistant.

I got a feeling that next season is going to be a battle for the playoffs by both teams. Especally if the Clippers can remain healthy, and the Lakers can remain healthy. Will be fun to watch.

**CDRacingZX6R** · 05-25-2005, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheClipSHow11

If we had Kobe - Dunleavy would have quit.

Now that is the Kobe (Uncoachable) factor.

You have been hanging out with Dynasty Raider to much. Coaches like Larry Brown said that having someone like Kobe on their rooster would be a dream come true and that if he wasn't a loyal detroit fan and coach he would have come back to the lakers this season in a second.

Hell the coach that said he was uncoachable is considering a return at coaching him... What does that tell you? It's not like Phil Jackson is desperate for a coaching job.

Dunleavy pulled for him BIG time man.. You must have missed all the press conferences... But they really thought they had him.

Kobe also mentioned that the main reason he'd even consider the Clippers was because he respected the coaching staff a great deal.

**CDRacingZX6R** · 05-25-2005, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by yamaneko

dunleavvy was one of the ones personally lobbying for kobe last year....heck for all we know it could have been him telling sterling to let odom go so that the clippers could get him the next year. Remember, dunleavvy made lots of personal visits to kobe trying to convince him to come to the clippers

By the way Yam, I know we don't agree on most stuff... But thank god you at least think with your head, and don't pull the hate card on Kobe every second. It gets old hearing all the "Kobe is Satans seed" conspiaracy theories.

I keep hearing "he broke up a team, he would have destoryed the clippers too!", bla bla bla. Give me a break, just three weeks ago Jerry Buss said if Shaq was 60 pounds lighter he would have kept him and gave him that 30 million a year extention. But that he was concerned for the price that Shaq was demanding, he would be come even more of an injury risk.. And as of right now, he might have been right. Of course Shaq could still pull it off, but he sure doesnt look very healthy right now and at 33 I'm not seeing a six year contract in his future for any team that has common sense.

**yamaneko** · 05-25-2005, 09:07 AM

Brand is better than odom, and maggette better than butler. I dont think that the amount that bryant is better than simmons, makes up for the other two. Coaching or not, the clippers still had to overcome more problems. Remember, our coaching wasnt exactly the best in the league. Toward the end of games, remember how hard it was to actually see a decent play drawn up to try to win the game? How many games did rick brunson end up having to be the one to take the last second desperation shot.

ON a funny side note, the clippers actually offered the lakers brand, kaman and someone else for shaq when he was on the block, but shaq didnt want to come here. If only the clippers had people they could offer while still keeping their best player like miami did. a clippers/lakers rivalry with shaq./kobe in the middle of it would have been historic.

**CDRacingZX6R** · 05-25-2005, 02:53 PM

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ON a funny side note, the clippers actually offered the lakers brand, kaman and someone else for shaq when he was on the block, but shaq didnt want to come here. If only the clippers had people they could offer while still keeping their best player like miami did. a clippers/lakers rivalry with shaq./kobe in the middle of it would have been historic.

I'm glad Shaq didn't want to come here. If we would have traded Brand, Kaman and someone else for a 33 year old center, who this season had the worest year in his career... And Im not talking in scoring, I mean in just brute defense and rebounding, he has really gone down a notch compared to the Shaq that that destroyed durning the lakers championship era. Although I still agree that he is probably the best center out there, I'd still I'd be pissed if we had gotten em. Brand in my opinion, is just to damn consistant and rare to trade for Shaq. If he was 27, well I'd change my tune. But no way in hell would I want that now or last year.

I think either way it would have been awesome to see Kobe Bryant on the Clippers battling Shaq on the Lakers for a playoff spot or best team in the west. Only in Hollywood does that happen.

Some argue that if Shaq would have been content with his extention proposition, he wouldn't have left. But he wanted a six year max, in my opinion because knows in six years he is going to be a wheel chair bound basketball player. He went to Maimi, and now Maimi who was expected to offer the extention with contract deal before the playoffs, hasn't said anything about it yet.

If lakers had kept Shaq, Kobe would be a clipper right now.

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