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RP McMurphy · 06-20-2005, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by arenas809

Not sure how many years you have in mind, but why in the world would we give Jaric a starting salary at 4 mil?

That makes no sense at all...if someone wants to pay him that, then at some point we'll play against Jaric and his new team next year.

Not necessarily, he'll probably be injured.

Genjuro · 06-20-2005, 12:36 AM

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But both said websites have had many guys 18 years old on the mocks for some time now, including people in that 1987 class.

For anyone though that has been hyped in the past, with great potential, they do find themselves on the mocks, even if its far fetched like nbadrafts debacle with ivan chierev. Im just saying, that usually the mock sites are pretty good at knowing who to put on the mocks, so good that something like this has never happened before...

In DraftCity/DraftExpress there hasn't been any international kid from 1987 listed in the 2005 mock except Aleksandrov, who was removed from the 2005 mock some months ago. Ilyasova hasn't been in the 2005 mock until now. Older guys have been dealt in the same way: Andriuskevicius has been in the 2006 mock all season long except for a few weeks, and other talented guys like Sergio Rodríguez or Uros Tripkovic have been always in the 2006 mock. It's a policy of the site try not to hype those kids too much, not encourage them to declare being so young.

Anyway, all those guys got playing time with their senior teams except our man Korolev. I don't think there are any precedents about this situation with an international first round pick. The closest case might be Tskitishvili, who anyway had much more action with the vets.

**yamaneko** · 06-20-2005, 08:51 AM

I said 4 million based on jaric's market value. Before his injuries some considered him the top PG FA available. Id pay him more money than derek fisher if they were FA's the same year, and look how much fisher got.

If the clippers do not get any decent SG/SF FA, i think that makes jaric that much more important to us because of his perimeter defense, his shooting, and again his abillity to play so many positions. 4 million is a bit much, i was basing that off of him making 3 million this year. However i just checked hoopshype, and he only made 2.1 million. Thus, id pay him 3-4 million if hes thrown an offer for that much (to match it). Many here have said they would like to see the clippers "gamble." I say a safer gamble is to bet on someone staying healthy who has continuly improved his numbers year after year, and who knows the system, and is a good defender, than throwing money on an unproven FA in dunleavvys system, who might/might not buy into it, who costs more money, who may not be as good a defender, etc

Giddensfor3 · 06-20-2005, 03:11 PM

Korolev

I've seen this guy play and he has does have great skills and athleticism for a small forward. He can really handle the ball and is very smooth. He seems really soft though.

**yamaneko** · 06-20-2005, 03:50 PM

yeah, most euros are soft. still intriguied by his upside though

**yamaneko** · 06-21-2005, 09:54 AM

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basket...rts-nba-clippe

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The Clippers on Monday dismissed speculation that they have a deal in place to make a Russian teenager the 12th pick in next week's NBA draft.

News outlets have reported that the Clippers are committed to taking Yaroslav Korolev, a 6-foot-9 small forward who turned 18 last month, if he is available when they make their first pick in the June 28 selection process.

"Of course we're not going to commit; we're not going to mention anything," Clipper Coach Mike Dunleavy said.

"We commit to everybody in the draft, and whoever we get, we get."

Korolev's agent, Marc Fleisher, also denied the reports on the eve of today's deadline for early entrants to withdraw from the draft.

"If I had a deal with a player, I would never comment on it, publicly or privately," he said.

"All I can tell you is, he is going to keep his name in the draft….The Clippers are a team that had expressed interest to me, as had probably a dozen other teams. That's about all I can say."

Korolev, whose father, Igor, coaches the Russian national junior team, is regarded as the top young prospect in his homeland.

"I probably would have waited another year to put him in the draft initially, but the response was so good from NBA teams [that] they really made the decision for us," Fleisher said.

**yamaneko** · 06-21-2005, 10:06 AM

http://www.draftexpress.com/dedaily.php?p=362

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Korolev, a high risk proposition
By Luis Fernández

On June the 16th, Jonathan Givony voiced here on DraftExpress.com a possible promise at the 12th pick from the Clippers to Yaroslav Korolev, a super talented, 6-9 Russian small forward who plays for CSKA Moscow. Since then, different sources are claiming that the promise looks real.

Let's remember that Yaroslav just turned 18 years old, and has barely spent any time on the court with CSKA's first team this last season, getting regular action only in the junior team. So, if the promise is true, there are no precedents for this situation. No international lottery pick, not even any first round draftee, lacked as much playing time in senior competition in the year they were drafted. Perhaps the closest example might be Nikoloz Tskitishvili, and I'm pretty sure that's a name nobody would have liked to read here, particularly not any Clippers fan. But even the Georgian, a benchwarmer back in Treviso, spent much more time on the court in top international competition than the Russian.

Of course Korolev is a different player, with a more defined role (he's a small forward all the way) and better basketball fundamentals. But it makes you wonder how will the Clippers (I insist, if the promise is true) handle his development. Some quotes coming from the player suggest that his intention is to go to the NBA right away. So if he ends up on the Clippers’ roster next season, would the LA team give him regular playing time from day one? On a team with some decent pieces to try and make a playoff run and a couple of big contracts that probably appear in Sterling's nightmares on a daily basis, you can count me amongst the doubters.

Furthermore, do you remember who Jermaine O’Neal’s coach back in Portland was? That's right: Poppa Dunleavy. The good news is that the current Pacer turned out to be an all-star, so you can make a case about him being developed "right.” Although we should not forget that the happy ending took place far from Oregon.

Back to Korolev. The first question you can ask yourself is how will he deal with the wild NBA environment, whether it’s on or off the court. If we look back at last year, the least you can feel here is concerned.

The Russian is a competitive kid, who not so long ago seemed to have a tendency of getting frustrated easily if things didn't go as expected. The L'Hospitalet tournament (from where we reported his excellent performance), the Euroleague Junior Tournament, even the Russian Junior League, all were competitions this season that weren’t demanding enough for such a strong youth team as the CSKA juniors.

But just less than a year ago, in Zaragoza, playing with Russia against stronger squads filled with kids only one year older than him, he was disappointing, not being able to display his game and looking a bit frustrated. Just for the record; Nemanja Aleksandrov, who wasn’t able to live up to expectations back then, looked ten times better than him.

While Yaroslav seems to have matured, it’s hard to get a clear picture without seeing him being tested properly against decent competition first. His difficult character might complete the perfect equation for failure if he's thrown into the NBA at this point. And this is when the option of leaving him in CSKA must be weighed. This is an option which actually shouldn’t look that bad. We have the precedent in the very same team of Andrei Kirilenko, drafted at a similar age and who spent a couple of seasons in Russia afterwards, only to develop into an allstar after a just a few seasons in Utah.

On the other hand, it's true that we also have Sergei Monya, who has barely improved since being selected by the Blazers in last year's draft (although he has suffered some healthy issues that made him lose ground in the rotation).Yet if we dig deeper into last year, we'll see that CSKA went through its most important season in recent history, hosting the Euroleague Final Four, for which the team invested a large amount of money to build a very competitive squad coached by the highly demanding Dusan Ivkovic. It wasn't the most favorable environment for a youngster like Monya.

For the next campaign, this time it will be Ettore Messina as the man in charge. The Italian coach has been bringing up Andrea Bargnani for the last couple of seasons in Treviso, with intriguing results. Furthermore, he had Manu Ginobili and Marko Jaric under his guidance in Bologna in the last two seasons they spent in Europe, although both were rather mature by then. Anyway, those doesn’t seem bad credentials to me.

The Los Angeles Clippers, like any other NBA team, is a professional organization, and they must be more than aware of this issue. The fans should too; with so many intriguing reports, including our own profile on the player, it’s easy to fall in love with the guy and picture unreachable goals. Let’s just hope that the team, and Korolev himself, have a defined developing plan and realistic expectations for the upcoming years. Otherwise, frustration might be the outcome for both sides.

**Weasel** · 06-21-2005, 12:36 PM

Thanks for the links yama, I wonder which of the two are telling the truth. The Clippers organization could be using a smokescreen in denying they want this guy.

**yamaneko** · 06-21-2005, 01:05 PM

yeah, those articles really dont help much. I could be mistaken, but i dont remember the last time a team or agent actually confirmed a promise before the draft to a specific team, out in the open.

Second article though talks about a little what i referred to as the skita syndrome where we havent seen this guy do much at top level competition. Dont know why theyre bringing up jermaine oneal as if dunleavvy doesnt play high schoolers, or doesnt know how to. he did fine this year with shaun.

arenas809 · 06-21-2005, 02:17 PM

As usual Draftexpress has an agenda...

NBAdraft.net is the one who actually brought Korolev to the surface...

Draftexpress is the same site that had a BJ session all Portsmouth over sorry *** Katelynas, but they write a whole article on why Korolev is so high risk.

Petro isn't?

Ilyasova isn't?

Ukic isn't?

I mean come on...agenda, agenda, agenda...

Genjuro · 06-21-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by arenas809

As usual Draftexpress has an agenda...

NBAdraft.net is the one who actually brought Korolev to the surface...

Draftexpress is the same site that had a BJ session all Portsmouth over sorry *** Katelynas, but they write a whole article on why Korolev is so high risk.

Petro isn't?

Ilyasova isn't?

Ukic isn't?

I mean come on...agenda, agenda, agenda...

Agenda? I would love to know that agenda.

The truth is that Ukic is one of the most ready international guys in the draft, and neither Petro or Ilyasova have supposedly received a lotto promise, while both have played senior competition this season (even if both are awfully raw).

I mean, it's pretty obvious that Korolev is the perfect poster child to write a piece like that.

Besides, Petro unreadyness itself was dealt earlier in another article in DraftExpress.com: http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=80

So there it goes your agenda theory (indeed, I'm wondering what's your own agenda...).

By the way, of course it was nbadraft.net who brought Korolev to the surface. It was in 2003, and draftcity/draftexpress didn't exist by then. They had an ACB.com (Spanish League official web site) article on the 2003 European Cadet Championship translated.

**yamaneko** · 06-21-2005, 09:33 PM

Supposedly Aleksandrov would stay in this year if he was guaranteed top 20. This is a guy who was for months rated as number 1 this year, and outplayed our boy korelov in some tournament that he didnt even play well in.

What do you guys think are the pros cons of taking the russian over aleksandrov?

**Weasel** · 06-21-2005, 11:52 PM

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