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**kamego** · 07-01-2005, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by myELFboy

just to add to that, Popovich thought that Seattle was the hardest matchup for them, & they are the defending champs.

I'm going to say SA probally would answer Detroit after the finals.

Free Arsenal · 07-01-2005, 01:35 PM

Well, it's sort of like a rock, paper, and scissors match up.

**Weasel** · 07-01-2005, 07:22 PM

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/colum...26id%3d2098094

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The Clippers are making a big push to bring Ray Allen to L.A. With talks still rocky between Allen and the Sonics, the Clippers could be his final destination once the process works itself out. If the Clippers could pull it off, they would be serious playoff contenders next season.

swift88 · 07-01-2005, 09:29 PM

Money talks, and Allen will never retire along one team. I hope it works out, allen is a winner and a nice dude.

Dynasty Raider · 07-01-2005, 09:44 PM

Ray said he did not want to play for a team like the Clippers and I don't think he would change his mind. He's not as young as our guys, so playing for the Clippers would be an ego thing for him.

The last thing we need is a disgruntled player that is on our team only for the money, ala Kittles.

Drop it ... Ray is not going to be a Clipper and I don't want him here anyway if it means losing any of our core players. If you will be honest with yourselves, you will recall that after he made that comment, he displayed a somewhat streak of arrogance that was unlike the Ray we have all come to know. I don't know where it came from, but it didn't sit well with me and made me think that he has the potential to be bad news in a locker room.

fotojenic · 07-01-2005, 10:14 PM

http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/sonics/story/4990812p-4558275c.html....

Asked if he would seriously consider any of those teams, all of which have histories of poor ownership and losing seasons, Allen responded:

“From my vantage point now, there is not any opportunity I can say no to. It is different to sit down and talk to somebody eye to eye and hear about philosophies and direction. It’s like when there is a new movie out and everybody tells you that you will hate it, and then you go and see it and you like it. Or vice versa, and everybody likes it and you hate it. You just never know until you go and see for yourself.

“Obviously, I look at different things. But most guys in free agency want to see that the organization is moving forward. Most guys think championship. There are no guarantees, no matter who you sign with. When the Lakers signed all those guys a few years ago, there was no guarantee they were going to win a championship. And they didn’t. Jason Kidd put himself in a position to win a championship in New Jersey, and he hasn’t won one. But that’s all you hope you can accomplish is to put yourself in a good position.”

**Weasel** · 07-01-2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by swift88

Money talks, and Allen will never retire along one team. I hope it works out, allen is a winner and a nice dude.

Exactly money talks. He may have said what he said earlier in the season but it looks like he is viewing the Clippers proposal. What does that mean? Talk is cheap.

**CDRacingZX6R** · 07-01-2005, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynasty Raider

Ray said he did not want to play for a team like the Clippers and I don't think he would change his mind. He's not as young as our guys, so playing for the Clippers would be an ego thing for him.

The last thing we need is a disgruntled player that is on our team only for the money, ala Kittles.

Drop it ... Ray is not going to be a Clipper and I don't want him here anyway if it means losing any of our core players. If you will be honest with yourselves, you will recall that after he made that comment, he displayed a somewhat streak of arrogance that was unlike the Ray we have all come to know. I don't know where it came from, but it didn't sit well with me and made me think that he has the potential to be bad news in a locker room.

It UTTERLY kills me to agree with you Dynasty. Stick with youth. Allens great, but old and we already have a cheaper version of him. Plus he is a crybaby, and doesnt fit into the flow of the Clippers if you ask me.

**yamaneko** · 07-01-2005, 11:02 PM

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Ray said he did not want to play for a team like the Clippers and I don't think he would change his mind. He's not as young as our guys, so playing for the Clippers would be an ego thing for him.

He has also said he would consider the Clippers. Another article posted today says he would consider any team. Nice for you to conviniently forget these issues. Also, what in the world did this come from about his age? That is one of the biggest reaches i have heard. Allen is older than some guys on the Clippers, thus there must be an inevitable ego problem? First of all, im sure there will be older people on the clippers next year than him, and besides, where would you come up with the idea that even though not, there would be some kind of ego problem? Im actually not even sure if youre saying the clippers would have the ego problem since theyre younger, or if ray would have it because hes older. That statement didnt make much sense to me, sorry.

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The last thing we need is a disgruntled player that is on our team only for the money, ala Kittles.

Again, Im not sure where youre coming from with this. Allen comes here only 1 of 2 ways. 1. he turns down more money, longer contract from seattle, jsut to be with us, or 2. he agrees to a sign and trade to come to our team. First of all, that takes out your disgruntled theory since he has to choose to come here. Also, he wouldnt be here for the money since seattle could off him more, and the clippers cannot offer more than any other team. Third of all, kittles was never disgruntled, he was HAPPY to be here, and wanted to be with the clippers a while before the injuries. Not to mention that he was not here for the money since he was traded to the clippers and still under a contract he had signed years ago with new jersey. Other than that, your statement was right on.

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Drop it ... Ray is not going to be a Clipper and I don't want him here anyway if it means losing any of our core players.

If youre saying that, its just a matter of opinion. Nothing is certain until someone signs with someone. If you dont want him here if it means loosing our core players who havent brought us a playoff apperance, thats entirely up to you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But dont go out and make statements that ray is going to do this, someone else will do that, because you have no more information on that than us, the clippers, nor any other team in the league.

RD, ive done it many times before, you havent so much often. Please come on here and explain to the newbies why is it an allen or pierce type player is more beneficial to us in the W/L column than a simmons or maggette.

myELFboy · 07-01-2005, 11:15 PM

well, of course Ray will consider all teams right now. You don't go into free agency with a closed mind. I still believe he'll ultimately end up back with Seattle, or to Cleveland. I read somewhere, and of course these rumors don't mean ****, that if he doesn't get a deal done with Seattle, he wants to be on an eastern conference team. This was on the ESPN boards, and whether there's any credibility, I don't know.

*We do not allow masked cursing*

**Weasel** · 07-01-2005, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by myELFboy

well, of course Ray will consider all teams right now. You don't go into free agency with a closed mind. I still believe he'll ultimately end up back with Seattle, or to Cleveland. I read somewhere, and of course these rumors don't mean ****, that if he doesn't get a deal done with Seattle, he wants to be on an eastern conference team. This was on the ESPN boards, and whether there's any credibility, I don't know.

*We do not allow masked cursing*

I don't remember where I heard this but I recall that Ray didn't want to be second fiddle on a team which he would be on the Cavs.

myELFboy · 07-01-2005, 11:53 PM

sorry about the masked cursing.

it was on the ESPN boards--like I said, is it credible, who knows.

then again, most people assume that Ray will end up in one of those---none of us know his intention truly, so i guess we'll all see come july 22.

**Weasel** · 07-02-2005, 12:22 AM

A new thing that I have picked up is that the Clippers can offer more money than the Sonics are offering Ray and will.

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