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**Weasel** · 07-16-2005, 08:46 PM

Well since the Clippers are confident they will get 1 of these 2. Who would you rather have and why?

Free Arsenal · 07-16-2005, 08:58 PM

Wells, because the last time I saw him play for Dunleavy he was a monster.

**NOBLE** · 07-16-2005, 09:15 PM

I can't really decide, but I'll go with Bonzi because he can score for us on the bench at the guard position. I would really want 'Reef for the fact that I looked at Rasheed Wallace/Antonio McDyess for the Pistons and how their impact was felt.

RD · 07-17-2005, 12:04 AM

Definitely Shareef. His ability at the 3 and 4 would help us more, and he's always been a good locker room guy.

I dont mind Bonzi though. Last time he was with Dunleavy, the guy was absolutely unstoppable. Nobody could handle him in the post. He would simply abuse guys in the post and overpower them. He's not a bad shoote or slasher either to round out his offensive skills. His game has never been built on speed so I dont think the fact that hes gotten older has made those skills disappear. I think his attitude is the major question. He doesnt always give max effort and hasnt liked some of the situations hes been in. Thats a key thing to look at though. If he's happy, great pickup. If he's not, it could be a major blow to the team.

**Weasel** · 07-17-2005, 12:12 AM

I agree with RD on all his points. I think SAR is the better player and hence I would like the better player on the team. Bonzi would be a good addition since Dunleavy likes him and it seems clear that Bonzi is very loyal to Dunleavy. Wells could be a good contributor or he can suck it up.

**Weasel** · 07-17-2005, 12:20 AM

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basket...rts-nba-clippe

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The Clippers have said they'd like to keep him, but they're busy pursuing other options, namely Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Bonzi Wells. Abdur-Rahim is an unrestricted free agent and Wells could be if the Memphis Grizzlies, who unceremoniously removed him from the team during the playoffs, are unable to trade him and unwilling to exercise an $8-million contract option.

More support showing that the Clippers are aggresively pursuing SAR and Wells.

**yamaneko** · 07-17-2005, 01:33 AM

if we do not get SAR NOR bonzi, i say definately bring korolev over here no matter what and get a uniform on him. Wed need the body at that position, let alone the development factor. But what if we do get SAR or bonzi? Does that change dunleavvy's thinking? He already wanted to leave korolev over, woudl this solidify his thinking? Especially since they can keep his salary off of the books until next year when they dont have a 1st round pick?

**Weasel** · 07-17-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by yamaneko

if we do not get SAR NOR bonzi, i say definately bring korolev over here no matter what and get a uniform on him. Wed need the body at that position, let alone the development factor. But what if we do get SAR or bonzi? Does that change dunleavvy's thinking? He already wanted to leave korolev over, woudl this solidify his thinking? Especially since they can keep his salary off of the books until next year when they dont have a 1st round pick?

The Clippers already said they would get 1.

But if neither are acquired then I think Korolev comes over. If either SAR or Bonzi is on the team I believe Korolev will take in overseas.

arenas809 · 07-17-2005, 04:20 PM

It would be an absolute disgrace if they leave this kid overseas.

If he had been a second round pick, I wouldn't care as much, but considering the players we passed on for him in this draft, you have to bring him over and start working with him now.

I say you at the very last bring him over and stash him in the NBDL just so he can familiarize himself with the american game.

As far as I'm concerned anything he does over in Europe is irrelavant.

First you have to have a little bit of knowledge about his situation. He plays for CSKA Moscow, the most powerful non-NBA franchise in the world. Most of their starting lineup (on the senior level) is compromised of Americans, they are in the business of winning championships, NOT developing players. Sergei Monia even publicly said this past season for him over there was a waste because he wasn't getting to play much, and if he had to do it over again he would have came to the Blazers last year, and this kid's situation wouldn't be any different.

Korolev can be left over there and continue to dominate on the junior level and watch from the bench on the senior level, but who cares, we need to see what he can and will be able to do OVER HERE. It's unfortunate we couldn't have had him for summer league even just to get an idea of how his game at this moment translates to playing over here, I wouldn't expect too much, but if they leave him overseas that's just another stupid, stupid move this franchise would be making.

RD · 07-17-2005, 04:31 PM

I suppose keeping Kirilenko overseas was a waste too? Or Stojakovic?

It's not just about PT in the senior level. He'll be practicing against grown men, but most important, he continues to get time to develop mentally and physically, just as a person. The extra emphasis on fundamentals overseas is also an added benefit.

Monya has zero to do with this discussion. He's 22/23. Certainly, at that point, you have absolutely nothing to learn by sitting the bench. With Korolev barely turning 18, he still has a lot he can learn by staying overseas.

By far, the absolute worst decision would be to have him play in the NBDL. For starters, most importantly, is that you waste one year of his NBA contract. That alone makes it a stupid move. Its one thing to second a second rounder down there, its another to send an 18 year old lottery pick there. He's going to be playing against guys that arent good enough for the league and that lack the fundamentals to play in the league. He's not going to get great teaching fromt he coaches down there. The one and only benefit is adjusting to America. But I dont think that outweighs the fact that we lose ay ear of the kid in the NBA and I think staying overseas helps him develop at a steadier pace.

NBA or overseas. No NBDL.

**yamaneko** · 07-17-2005, 08:56 PM

Yes, you have to look at the dollars and sense portion of it too. If the clippers get another wing, not to mention ross, not to mention if they resign jaric, we would be wasting a year of his contract by either putting him in the NBDL, or giving him endless DNP - coaches decision. That means we wasted a couple million with no return, not to mention, if he does turn out to be great (which the clippers obviously think by giving him a high pick), thats one less year that he has until a big pay day, a year that the clippers didnt get much return on investment on.

Biggestfanoftheknicks · 07-17-2005, 09:49 PM

One thing the clippers don't have is a solid team identity. They have little chemistry and a lot of guys on the roster are just starting to figure things out and still need time ( Kaman, Livingston, even mags to some extent) as such you do not want a me first selfish lazy player like Wells. I can promise you he'll bring no good to your team.

ElUno20 · 07-17-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggestfanoftheknicks

One thing the clippers don't have is a solid team identity. They have little chemistry

The Clippers had great chemistry last year and have started to build a real team first identity. I don't know what team you've been watching.

Free Arsenal · 07-18-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ElUno20

The Clippers had great chemistry last year and have started to build a real team first identity. I don't know what team you've been watching.

I think he watches the Knicks.

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