DaFranchise

I didnt think a reason was necessary. Ha Seung whatever is a scrub and he is worse than Wang. Miles just doesnt care anymore. He is either hurt or quitting on his coach and teammates. We dont need his ridiculous contract or attitude. Two scrubs for a proven 20 ppg player with a reasonable contract, I dont think so. At least propose a trade that favors OUR Clippers and not the JailBlazers.

yamaneko

Yes, a reason is necessary, because on this board you dont just disrespect someones post when it was presented in a way I did (both pros and cons, etc.), without an explanation. Youre debating the Ha Seung part of the trade too? I want to unload the rebraca contract, and if my calculations are correct, ha is one of the few on the roster there that we can add to make the deal work, plus if we do get rid of rebraca, no matter what we do need a big back. But just comparing apples to apples, you dont think ha sung jin could/could have given us what rebraca did this year? Id much rather have a near minimum salary backup who is 20 years old, than a 33 year old guy who has one of the most serious injury problems one could have. And even if both of them will only get in a few games, so that basketball almost doesnt make the difference, ha still is better since he will be a big attraction to the korean community here. Koreans are big for supporting their own, and we have one of the biggest communities here...last sunday, 20,000 koreans went to the staples center just to watch the red devils in the world cup.

Well, he never was a problem on the Clippers, so its not like he has a bad track record for this organization. You never know how one will be with a change of scenery. Wasnt everyone saying artest (10X the headcase of miles) was going to bring down sacramento? We saw what happened there. As far as his contract goes, i did put that down as a con, as well as other things of why the deal WOULDNT get done. He is by no means a "scrub." I believe hes also signed a bit more than maggette, who we only have for this season and the next. And id much rather do a trade like this rather than just trade for a draft pick like media says (unless money is more of an issue), or some of the other trades that has been suggested.

I really dont think this deal will help the blazers THAT much. Theyre giving up their young center prospect for an overthe hill guy who might not be well enough to play. Theyre getting in return maggette, who is not as flexible on the floor as miles as to where he can play, and only for 2 years. Like i said, there are pros and cons of the deal on both sides, but its not any crazier than other deals proposed out there, nor even the deal thats being talked about between portland and houston, etc.

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ElMarroAfamado

man, if we dont sign Vlade, we need someone else who can make a damn 3 consistenly...

throughout the Playoffs it seemed Vlade never missed, we need that caliber 3 pt threat if not

ElMarroAfamado

this would be so great for the Clippers

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

PAIDNFULL23

[quote=yamaneko] And even if both of them will only get in a few games, so that basketball almost doesnt make the difference, ha still is better since he will be a big attraction to the korean community here. Koreans are big for supporting their own, and we have one of the biggest communities here...last sunday, 20,000 koreans went to the staples center just to watch the red devils in the world cup. [quote=yamaneko]

Why do u always talk about making a trade or signing because of someone being Asian. I remember u were one of the few people that wanted to keep Tabuse just b/c he would attract asian people to the games. What kind of ****in reason is that to make a trade or signing. This is ****in basketball at the highest level, the NBA, u don't make moves like that just for the hell of stupid *** publicity stunts to attract a certain race of fans. Some of the things u decide to post are unbelievable.

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Always? Twice in 2 years is always? Were talking about bench warmers here. When you talk about bench warmers, you try to find any positive possible. Like i said, on the basketball court, rebraca and Jin seem about even, thus you look at whatever other differences there are. 1. Jin is a lot younger, less injury prone, more marketable, larger body, etc. etc. Its not JUSt about being asian, but you do have to take that into consideration. Just like Saer Sene. He has little basketball skill, and probably wont contribute right away, so you look at what other things he has going for him: 1. Hes legit 7 foot, 2. hes still a teenager, 3. he has ridiculous wing span and reach.

Wrong statement. There were TONS of people on all the Clipper message boards who wanted to keep Tabuse over goldwire. I actually dont know of many people who did want to keep goldwire over him, were you one of them? (not to mention he got the most cheers at any preseason game, while goldwire got zero, so its not like im the only one who liked the guy) And was that the only reason why i wanted him? No, get your facts right. Go back to the posts, you can see that it was posted before by myself the positives of keeping him over goldwire such as age, his quickness, his unique boykins-like ability to change the pace of a game, and the fact that he would be owed a lot less money than goldwire....why pay 1 million for the 4th string PG? But again, in business, you have to look at all of the factors involved as well, so why not look at the fact that he can draw fans? Are you going to critisize the houston city and franchise for all of the marketing they did in China? the whole sister city thing, and all of the things they did to try to reach out to that country because of Yao ming? No, its just smart business.

If you use masked cursing and have obvious profanity again in a post, it will just be deleted the next time,this is your only warning. Why are you twisting things that i have said? Did i say anywhere here that the only reason is race? No, that was one of the last things i mentioned as a matter of fact. Why not debate the other things i put? Are you going to tell me its not better to have a 20 year old center than a 35 year old? Someone without serious injury problems rather than a guy with a heart problem? (not to mention the fact we need his contract for the mock deal i put up). Why are you even arguing this? Were talking about bottom of the bench throw ins to rid ourselves of contracts. That would be like you making a huge issue of the cassell/jaric trade, but you making the big deal out of the lionel chalmers part of the deal. If youre going to try to debate at least debate whats being said, instead of making stuff up. ANd its 100% not necessary to cuss in posts. I know you must be very angry of how i can possibly want to get rid of rebraca for a young guy as a salary fill in for the trade, but try to keep the anger in check.

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First off your trade proposal of Maggette and Rebrecca for Miles and Jin(whatever his name is) is one of the dumbest prosposal I have seen post on this site, because D Miles is vastly overpaid, injury prone, and not close to the player Corey is, not to mention his recent behavior issues. And if u say he never had any problems as a Clipper, well was like 4 years ago and with a totally different coaching staff with a different attitude. I understand that you like D Miles but if u give up Maggette and Rebracca for Miles someone else more significant is coming with Miles such as a Jarrett Jack, Telfair, or even a sign and trade involving Pryzbilla, which would probably mean anyone Clippers player going to Portland to match salaries, not Jin. Or along with Miles and Jin the Clippers getting some draft picks.

I understand that u had more reasons for bring in Jin such as being a throw in to match salaries, but him being Korean should never be brought up as reasoning in a trade proposal, especially one that was already lopsided in the favor of the Blazers. Do you really think that Dunleavy, Elign and other people around the league think about the race of a player and what that might do for their fan support in considering a trade, I don't think so. Also the Rockets promote Yao in China best he is one of the best players on their team, not a guy that can't get any time on one of the worse teams in the league.

You shouldn't bring your personal interests into any reasonings for trades

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I am not the only person who curses in their posts so don't bring that up only when your the one being questioned about your posts. Becasue if this didn't involve you, you wouldn't have said anything about the cussing.

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Why do we have to take him being asian into consideration? That's like me saying that since about 80% of the NBA is black, I should want all of them on the my team because they are black and they would draw black people to the games. That has absoultely nothing to do with basketball. And the comparsion u r trying to make with Saer Sene is not the same thing because, all the things u mentioned about Sene are basketball related. So basically u are saying that one of the things that Jin has going for him is that he is Asian. Thats so ignorant and i expected more from a moderator.

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Do you even read the trade proposals here? Let alone the ones in the media such as Maggette for the 15th pick, what about the recent ones livingston for a draft pick, or the ones about elton brand? Even if you dont like this proposal (which you dont have to), theres no way you can tell him with a straight face that its worse than those and others. As far as the other things you posted there, some of it is exactly what I wrote as to one of the CONS of NOT doing the deal, so I guess youre agreeing with me? I dont agree with the injury thing though, Maggs averages 63 games a year, while miles averages 69 games. Miles is not that far off from corey as a player, we know miles is a better ball handler, has 7 less points per 48, same fouls, same TO's, 5 times as many blocks, More steals, same assists, more rebounds. As far as his behavior, just like i said, its not a given that a player is going to have problems the rest of his career no matter where he goes.

But again, wouldnt the miles trade make more sense than other rumored trades like just a draft pick? I didnt add any of portlands key stars because i based this trade off of the current rumored houston deal in which portland has already said that they do not want to lose any of their young guys that you mentioned. If pryzbilla (who portland also loves) was going in a trade, i dont think it would match with the clippers, no matter who else is part of the deal.

Yes, him being korean should most certainly be brought up, and I already said why. You ALWAYS look for whatever positives or negatives come along with a guy. Especially when were talking about an end of the bench person, you have to ask yourself, "what other positives/negatives can he bring to the franchise." Similar to a lot of teams passing on Quintel woods when he was on the block...didnt have much to do with his playing, it was about his dog fighting, and how that might turn off fans. Yes, teams DO consider the marketability of a player, otherwise Tabuse never would have made the Suns Team on talent alone. When he was on the clippers, the clippers and the NBA were marketing the crap out of him in preseason on NBA japan, and through other means. Is this the ONLY reason to sign a player? OF COURSE NOT, but in business you consider all avenues. If it comes down to two equal players at the end of the bench, you have to look at ANYTHING that puts one over the over.

Why not? Im not allowed to want D Miles in a trade because im a fan of his? Im not saying everyone should want him, but why are you saying that I cant propose trades just because i like the player?

Do you know how much cussing i remove, or posts i remove from cussin? No because youre not a moderator, anyone who cusses that i find gets it removed. If you see others that i or weasel have missed, let me know and it will get taken care of. In one day i saw two seperate profanity posts you did, one of which had nothing to do with "involving" me, so you were warned. Especially because you actually include half of the cuss word in regular letters...

Ive explained why you have to take his being korean into consideration if youre sterling, because it directly affects your bottom line, its a factor that has direct bearing on how much money is made. Your analogy of a black player is false. Its never been proven that the more black players a team has, the more black people go to the game. But it HAS been proven in multiple sports that (and especially in Los Angeles) the Japanese and Korean communities go absolutely crazy about supporting their own in sports, and people like Hideo Nomo, Ichiro, etc. etc. have created marketing phenomenons. Its similar with a guy like Matt Fish. Everyone talked about how goofy he was, and how he didnt belong in the NBA. Granted the clippers were so bad that year he actually put up good numbers for the Clippers, but why did he last for so many games with the clippers? He was the crowd favorite. Things like that are taken into consideration.

If its basketball related, why isnt he a better basketball player? its potential related. Just based on what he had done on the court, he was a second rounder at best. But once his stats started coming out, he shot up the charts. Can it be considered "something going for him" that jin is Korean? You said it, not me. I said its a "positive" when youre debating someone like him compared to a rebraca. No one is saying he is superior because of any nationality. But being ignorant would be saying that there is no financial advantage for sterling to have jin on the team compared to rebraca. Uniqueness means money at times. Look at the professor in And 1. Hes the most popular street baller because he doesnt look the part...if and 1 went only on skill he wouldnt be on the team, but they have him there to make money. Look at rafer alston, if you compare him to a player almost with the exact same skills, which do you pick? its got to be rafer because you know he will put more fans in the seats because of his streetball past. Dont forget that the NBA is a business. And at the end of the day, jin sitting at the end of the bench will help sterling's bottom line more than rebraca sitting at the end of the bench. Thats all im saying, and its something that is irefutable. Im not saying thats THE most important factor, the ONLY factor, or any of that. But its something thats just a fact.

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