afobisme

so you guys really think you know better than the clipper players then?

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yamaneko

its just an opinion. I think many here feel that when you have one of the most talented teams from players 1-10 in the league, and you play the kind of basketball played, that something is wrong. Clipper players are under the opinion that dunleavvy is great. They could be right. Clipper fans are under the opinion that dunleavvy is not so great. They could be right. Never will know unless another coach comes in with the same lineup. Which like i said, will not happen.

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By no means am I changing my opinion about Dunleavy, however, I do believe in giving credit wihen I believe it is due and I did notice a few things from the T-Wolves game that I'd like to give him credit for:

1) I KNOw, I KNOW, suddenly Kaman is injured (I believe Dunleavy sat him for awhile to avoid yanking him from games.

2) He actually USED Aaron, who looked good and like the veteran he is, knowing about setting blocks, hitting his outside shots, clogging up the paint. Given a couple more games and he could be the talk of the team. Credit Dunleavy ... he could have maintained the status quo by keeping Kaman out there no matter how awful he is.

3) He allowed the guys to play together in the first two quarters LONG ENOUGH TO GET INTO A FLOW. Credit Dunleavy.

4) He actually kept his *** in his seat for most of the game and allowed the guys to play, instead of barking up and down the sidelines distracting the guys.


I'm not going to say he lost this game for us, but I will note:


1) Elton has been running on empty this entire season. At some point ... Dunleavy has to have enough **** to sit Elton for fewer minutes even if Elton doesn't want to it.

2) TT, once he noticed this guy didn't have it ... could we have at least tried Singleton

3) Didn't he pull the same mistake he did in Game7 vs Phoenix last year ... bring Ewing in cold off the bench to guard someone. Did you see Ewing laughing at that while tightening his shorts.

(I really do believe this team has issues w/Dunleavy, thus the noted changes in the TWolves game.)

4) All praise to Sam's efforts, BUT he's 37 and his heart and mind believes he can do what he was able to do in his 20s. He flatout HIT A WALL in the 4th after expending so much energy, but Dunleavy got caught up in our lead OR he just can't tell Sam what to do. Should have pulled Sam right after the first missed chunked up 3 (sign that he was tired and didn't want to attack).


Well ... just wanted you all to know that I do watch and still can't stand Dunleavy. Even if there was a team meeting and some agreements made, the mindselt won't turnaround overnight.

NOTE also noticed he said something to Shaun after a miscue and Shaun was never able to get back on track.

yamaneko

What are you saying now? That this Kaman injury is fake and Dunleavvy is somehow punishing him for the 12 points, 12 boards, and 2 blocks he had averaged the previous two games?

However, like i said about aaron, this injury is helping (hopefully), that Williams needs to be the first center off of the bench, NOT thomas. I like tim thomas better at SF.

I would have liked to see singleton get a shot last night. Even ewing and davis got a couple minutes, give singleton a couple minutes, see if he can give the team a spark.

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universal!

So the general consensus is to get expand the rotation and play a few of the other players (Singleton!), and sit some others (TT), rest some guys (EB, Cassell)?

Even though this may have some effects on the cohesion of the team, it's worth a shot. The Clips look like they need a shot of something.

yamaneko

yeah, worst case scenario we lose, which were already doing anyways.

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Game over. Sam got his money, so he's taking 3's.

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From the mouth of a baby in this league. I was particularly impressed when he said that in THIS league, a player has to have time on the court to develop. HELLO Dunleavy, LeBron knows this why don't you. Afterall, you consider yourself a $6-$10Mil coach.

Oh ... this discussion can be found in the Cavs forum:

When LeBron James speaks, the Cavaliers understandably listen.
That's true even on small levels, such as last week, when he questioned why the Cavs would debut their orange throwback jerseys on the road. Within 24 hours, the Cavs were on the phone with the NBA office getting permission to wear the throwbacks for the next home game. Those are minor details; just think of James' influence on the major ones.

James has been dropping hints publicly -- and making statements privately, according to team insiders -- that he'd like to have more court time with rookies Shannon Brown and Daniel Gibson. Especially Gibson.

In the past week, coach Mike Brown has increased the rookies' playing time. Just a few hours after James suggested following the loss to the Indiana Pacers that there should be lineup changes, Shannon Brown was in the starting lineup in place of David Wesley. Also, coach Mike Brown is beginning to give Gibson meaningful minutes off the bench in place of Wesley and Eric Snow.

``You only can grow up in this league if you're on the court,'' James said. ``In this league, you have to play.''Wednesday in Toronto, Gibson was on the court as the Cavs tried to win the game in the fourth quarter. Several times, James looked for him on offense, passing him the ball. It was hardly rookie treatment, and it was a message that James wants to see what Gibson can do.

Gibson missed the clutch shots, but all he got was encouragement Wednesday and again Friday when he was in for key moments of the loss to the Pacers. He scored 14 points in 30 minutes in those two games with some impressive overall shooting.

``I just think (Gibson) is going to be a very good point guard in our league. It was a steal for us to get him in the second round,'' James said. ``I was glad to see him fail against Toronto; that was good for him. It was an excellent decision (to play him). As he grows, I want to play with him more.''
Mike Brown, like most NBA coaches, has gone with experienced veterans over unstable rookies in the early going. There is always temptation -- especially among fans and the media -- to see what new players can do. Now, though, No. 23 wants a look, and he's probably going to get it.

Singleton NEEDS to play. Wilcox NEEDED to play.

universal!

Singleton defintely, also more starts and more minutes for Livingston, no matter how badly he does.

cadarn

let's be honest, livingston is far more important.

universal!

Of course, but Livingston is seeing some PT already. Singleton is withering on the bench.
I don't think anyone will dispute that Livington's progress will determine how good the Clippers can be.

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BUMP ...

This is an interesting thread; suggest you re-read it. Funny ... comments were made way back in November 2006.

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B U M P .... Again ...



Only because it seems these guys are determined to get rid of Dunleavy. If he won't set a starting line up and RUN like the want ... feign an injury. And, my bet is Sam is behind it all.


We cannot take too much more of Dunleavy. I know DTS is fuming.


BTW: I didn't re-read the thread because i know pretty much is in it and i'm willing to bet nothing has changed.

ElMarroAfamado

the stupidest move of the season so far was getting rid of ruben patterson, lets not forget how great we were doing early with him and as a team, then the injuries and it all went downhill

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