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Old 07-19-2007, 03:16 PM   #136 (permalink)
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Thing is, if we trade Maggette, then we're a worse team. We're not making the playoffs under any circumstances.
Good Lord...
I think I'm going to have to stop reading these forums for a while. So many doomsayers and cry babies.
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Old 07-19-2007, 03:46 PM   #137 (permalink)
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Looks like we're forced to trade Maggette now, or sign a 10-day piece o' **** player.

Thing is, if we trade Maggette, then we're a worse team. We're not making the playoffs under any circumstances.
I say just don't sign anyone, and keep mags as a play maker. I wish we got Chris Paul.
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Old 07-19-2007, 08:08 PM   #138 (permalink)
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Old 07-19-2007, 08:57 PM   #140 (permalink)
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Re: Steve Francis bought out (And Signs with Houston)

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Good Lord...
I think I'm going to have to stop reading these forums for a while. So many doomsayers and cry babies.
I have to agree, we have too many pessimists here, no, your not being realistic, just a pessimist. Offseason isn't over, and sure, Blake, Hart and Francis are not available, but we still have a ways to go.

Aaron Williams to Phoenix for Marcus Bank could be a ok start.
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Old 07-19-2007, 10:04 PM   #141 (permalink)
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Re: Steve Francis bought out (And Signs with Houston)

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I have to agree, we have too many pessimists here, no, your not being realistic, just a pessimist. Offseason isn't over, and sure, Blake, Hart and Francis are not available, but we still have a ways to go.

Aaron Williams to Phoenix for Marcus Bank could be a ok start.
So um, what quality PG is available still? Knight? My original guess about him overpricing himself out of a contract early is proving true so far, but whenever he decides to drop the amount needed, will he choose the clippers? Maybe, maybe not, it's a bad gamble to take.

We're not newbies to the clippers here, the most likely thing to happen at this point is no moves at all. Except signing one or two summer league guys.

So with that said, with this current roster + summer league guys, what kind of record are we looking at in a Western conference that is loaded from 1-15??
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Old 07-19-2007, 10:43 PM   #142 (permalink)
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Ouch supposedly he narrowed down the list from 4 to 2 on Wednesday, the Clippers didn't make the 2 cut.
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Re: Steve Francis bought out (And Signs with Houston)

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yes, maggette and williams for jack pryzbilla and webster works out cap wise, and makes both teams better in the short and long term. Win win all the way around....
Blazers' fan here and while I'd much prefer Jack and Przybilla for Maggette, I'd be happy enough to swap Webster for Williams and a second round pick to make the deal work. And I agree it seems to make both teams better both short term and long. Honestly I'm amazed something like this didn't happen within hours of Francis signing with the Rockets.
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Old 07-20-2007, 09:15 AM   #144 (permalink)
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Re: Steve Francis bought out (And Signs with Houston)

jared jordan is the latest great white hope...you guy's should be honest with yourselves. i watched all the summer league games and his passing did impress me but that where the impressions stopped. don't get me wrong i like j.j. too, but not enough to start a fan club for him...defense wins championships, and if you can't stop the ball you can't win. jj has no latteral movement and that's inherited like the quickness it takes to out run the police or something like that (haha)..."j.j. is our savior"...
please---jesus christ with a cross on his back is probably a better defender than j.j.(no offense)... if he was black you'd be complaining about how much he can't shoot,(unless it's a gun) and how he blows assignments on defense. but not with j.j., some of you are biased borderline racist like donald t. sterling...

besides mobley look at the last couple clipper signings: first big z. how many 7 ft. black guys with we'll documented heart problems have been signed to a 16 million dollar contract? how come we didn't let kaman test the free-agent market like brand and maggette before giving him 52 million? is he better than them? why was korolev drafted ahead of gerald green and danny granger? they are both better players that play defense. (granger hit 12 three's in a row at a clipper workout before the draft)
why is korolev still on the roster when james singleton is clearly the better player? (singleton hit five three's too like korolev but he did it...in a real game) why did we draft paul davis? he's slow unathletic and has maybe an ounce of heart. (no energy, but i like him more than kaman). why was piatkowski the only clipper that sterling kept all those years? and this is the kicker, why did we give dumbleavy an extention when he single-handedly ruined the teams chemistry by not starting maggette? those can't all be just bad bussiness decisions...

i see a little favortisim in there. but it's up to you to be honest with yourself...

finaly, why not send j.j. overseas for one year (like they did diaz) to work on his overall game...the kid can't stick the tail on an a**, let alone a donkey. i got love for all of yaw but some of the things that some of you post are a little biased. diversity is what makes the spurs champs. not a bunch of unathletic white guys...vada
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Re: Steve Francis bought out (And Signs with Houston)

We're not in panic mode by any means. Jared Jordan is always an option. Earl Boykins, Keith McLeod and other PG's are still on tha market (some of which are better than B. Knight), There are a plethora of trades we can make, and if nothing else Sam gets extra PT, we add a back-up SG via free-agency who can help us with our outside shooting (like Sasha Pavlovic), and we just use Sam and J.J. until Livingston gets back. We're fine. Our PG situation really isn't as bad or desperate as everybody thinks, so lets only sign Brevin Knight if we need to, let's give Jared Jordan a good luck before we waste money on a FA that's worse, and let's add somebody else, maybe not a PG that can make our team better. Let's be positive guys.
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Old 07-20-2007, 11:16 AM   #146 (permalink)
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He likes Tabuse because he's Japanese...

Note this Yama, I remember when we signed Tabuse for the preseason a few years back and you were raving over the signing.
Youre kidding right? I dont like jordan because he has almost no shot at making the team. Dunleavvy has said it, baylor has said it. His defense just isnt close to being ready for the NBA. he also is in a similar situation to conroy in that he doesnt have enough offense either. Now, when youre talking third string PGs, then you bring other factors in, like A. is he at least a change of pace instant offense type PG like a boykins? Nope. B. Will he bring us a horde of new fans, and sell jerseys even if he never sees the court? Nope.

Tabuse was those things for this team. And look who we were comparing him to. It was Tabuse or Doug Freaking overton, who JUST LIKE i said would bomb and be cut anyway. Now, with jordan were talking jordan or conroy or gansey or Diaz. personally id go diaz, then gansey, THEN jordan. If this was 3 years ago and we had a choice of Overton or jordan, id pick jordan too.
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Re: Steve Francis bought out (And Signs with Houston)

At this point, with one PG who is old enough to be a grandfather, no of course were not making the playoffs. Even with francis it wasnt a lock, but at least we had better chance. Right now, we have no chance. Realism when you consider we havent improved from last year, and none of the teams except the lakers have regressed (who were ahead of us), and tons of teams below us have improved.

Lets see what the clippers do. I can almost guarnatee we will see something happen. No way to we enter training camp with cassell and a bunch of rookies as our only PG. I also dont think we enter training camp only with a overton type either. CLippers are going to make a move. Personally other than the Jarrett Jack trade, I dont see ANY other fesibly trade that could help us. With that jarret jack trade we just might get an 8 seed. ANything else, we are going to have to be the ones who come out way ahead in the trade.
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i like the jack trade too but to say we can't make the playoffs because a minor point guard issue is premature. the last month of the season we saw maggette and mobley do some incredible stuff distributing the ball. i think the clips are one of the most versatile teams and we showed that last year. i think we can make the playoffs with this roster, if we focus on defense like we did in 05-06. it's up to dumbleavy though.

yeah some teams got better, but if CHRIS KAMAN decides to wake the **** up we will be a top ten team in this league again. what sence does it make to have a good point guard if he can't rely on his center to make an easy layup or dunk the ball...all our problems are witin the organization. i have faith in livingston returning being a smarter and stronger player, until then i think we can manage but i swear, if kaman dosen't play right, that's the only way i can see us not making the playoffs...vada
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