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Hate to say it...

We need to trade maggete.

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Bah, i feel the same way, probably why i've been so pissy the past couple of weeks. We better at least get a fair deal out of it if it happens.

I honestly feel that we're not gonna make any trades though and end up with a totally unbalanced team.

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If we don't make trades, at least sign J.J. and Diaz. I think it'd be better to have the two of them over Brevin Knight. Diaz because he can score and handle the ball, and J. Jordan because he needs time to develop. I think he can develop over the season for some reason.

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TakingitbyStorm

[quote=yamaneko] Previous constants have changed. We now have a player that Dunleavy has stated will get minutes from the get go. Remember even with Y2K Dun stated that he was a long term project so nothing has changed from his statements so we can reason that this is true.


Agreed.

This is where Dun and Maggette will have to learn to work "outside the box" of the respective modalities. Maggette needs to improve his decision making skill so that he can play the 2 to give Dun confidence to put him there. It's asking a lot but it's the ideal situation. Maggette shoots the 3 ball well when his feet are set but this would have to be set up from Maggette being able to drive and dish, or drive and score. It's a leap but the craziest part about it is that Maggette has the physical abilities to do this, at this point with him it's all mental.

This will be situational. I would say that you can cut Thomas' minutes in half at this position. When Al proves that he can guard SF in the league, this will be the determining factor of who is on the court at any given time. Let's not forget that during his prime Thomas had a hard time guarding smaller SF in this league, including maggette.

If Maggette is getting 34 minutes per game I will go out on a limb and say two things will happen.
1. Ross will not get any minutes at the SF spot.
2. Maggette will miss at least 15 games that season.

Those two statements alone will get Al minutes and neither are far fetched. Dun is a defensive minded coach and Al will have to prove himself to see time on the court. That will take care of number one. I hope that we already agree on number 2.

You named Kaman Brand and Williams. Hmm...Kaman has contract, Thomas has contract, Brand has contract with option, and that leaves Williams who has contract but will not be resigned unless he has some sort of break out year. Davis will push Williams out of rotation, Kaman and Brand will benefit from this with more rest. Basically this is not last year and Williams would be cut if that were an option. This is an assumption by myself which I stand wholeheartily behind.

Yes, it is overating talent IMO. It's is not overating reputation. Both players travel a lot when they make their moves. Who's gonna get called for it more? Just one example but the overall talent level is negligible.
Thomas is the better 3pt shooter and Thornton is the more willing rebounder, that shouldn't be hard to draw up for a coach who relishes x's and o's.

First tell that to your boy Durant who said that Thornton should be getting some press because he "will be a star" in this league. 3rd best player, maybe not, but 3rd best energy player behind Brand and Ross...Yes.
And Oden can't even be mentioned in the same breath as Thornton when we discuss DESIRE.

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yamaneko

Not entirely true. I have said already TWO of the things that need to happen (maggette starting, singleton being let go) to help thorntons cause have already happened. But it still doesnt guarantee him a lot of minutes. Regardless of what ANYONE says, dunleavvy included, THINGS still have to change that no one seems to want to mention. Dunleavvy hasnt mentioned what he will do to get thornton time, and others here have only mentioned thornton getting time perhaps if theres an injury...something i agree with, but at the same time, considered "a change." Dunleavvy also had said that he expected korolev to be a part of the regular rotation by january of his rookie year. That didnt exactly happen. We read about wilcox getting commitmment from dunleavvy to getting more time, that didnt happen. People have said a lot of things, it doesnt make it fact, especially when they dont even explain how its going to happen. I thought that maybe he was going to teach thornton how to play SG, but the clipper coaches have already said thats not going to happen.

Agreed...but i was actually referring to Q Ross, whom someone else had said was going to get SG minutes only instead of SF. I maintain that for someone who can count the number of therees he has hit on one hand, has no business playing SG. Personally id put maggette at SG some of the time...its dunleavvy the one who acts like its against his religion to do that.

Thats a change, yes, and a reasonable one, but when were talking cutting his minutes in half at that position, were talking a whopping 5 minutes perhaps, right? I can see thornton getting those 5 minutes...but the way some people talk is as if hes going to play 25-30

yes, however, BOTH of those again, are "drastic changes" that must happen. Are they possible? Yes, but nothing is set in stone now, and if either of those happens, it will be a drastic change from current situation. For example ross not getting any minutes at SF? Meaning that we will haev a non shooter play shooting guard? Maggette is healthy now..and injury is an unexpected and big change. IF he does get injured, i do see thornton getting a LOT of his minutes...but again, it goes back to the thing of this is not a current situation, its a "possible" future "change."

Not sure what your point is though...im talking about this upcoming year...all of those guys are signed, and can be expected to have similar contributions to last year since most were healthy.

Again, none of it affects thornton. Regardless of who gets backup center minutes, williams or davis, its NOT thornton. ANd thomas is pretty much guaranteed most of the PF and C backup minutes that remain. Thats what im referring to. I dont expect thornton to get any center minutes, and only PF minutes in strange situations.

Wow, i think youll find yourself by yourself in that category. Not even the guys who are on thorntons jock will say that he is on maggette's level. Everyone calls me a "maggette hater" and i still think maggette is worlds better than thornton. Maggette for years is averaging the numbers thornton barely did one year in his last year in college. How you can say its overstating talent to call a proven nba vet better than an unproven, unspectacular college player is quite an opinion all right!

Doesnt mean diddly squat though when were talking such a difference in skillset. Oden doesnt match madsens desire either, so what?

By the way, takingitbystorm, i absolutely loved your post. Even though we dnot agree on things, i wish more would post like you. Instead of making wild accusations or emotional tirades calling me or others names, racists, you calmly and maturely go over your points one by one. You also do not just make some kind of assertion like, "thornton will get XX amounts of minutes...book it." without providing any explanation of where the minutes might come from. Again, i agree with only half of what you say, but i just wish EVERYONE would post like you. Very nice.

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TakingitbyStorm

[quote=yamaneko] As far as Y2K goes I have no idea of what happened that he didn't get minutes, as far as Wilcox goes, he was given plenty of minutes to prove he belonged in the regular rotation. It wasn't until he fail to capitalize on those minutes that he was yanked.






Those are the minutes that I was stating that Thomas would give up, not including those that Ross would hand over also.

Maggette misses at least that many games on average, so I wouldn't call that anything drastic.

As far as Ross is concerned, i stated before that Al's ability to stay on the floor would be from playing D, therefore I stated that Ross wouldn't be playing that position when Al is able to defend the position consistantly. This of course does not take in account special matchup situations, but I figured that was concluded.



My point is that it's a domino effect. Davis supplants Williams, Thomas plays more PF and C, which like I said that with him and Al on the court, Dun just has make plays that utilize these situations.

I can be by myself, it doesn't matter. you yourself have said that you think that Al is on par or better than Maggs defensively, I think most would agree that his perimeter shooting is on par or better than Maggs. I stated that they both have issues and Maggs is a vet and Al is a rook. Once Al gets his stamina and D awareness up I see no reason why he won't get significant minutes.


I don't know why you are posting this because I was just stating that he may not be the 3rd best talent wise, but on desire alone he will get chances to make an impact. As far as the Oden and Durant thing, you introduce that and I merely replied.

Thank you, and I feel that's what we are here to do, as I expect you to respond to this post if you do not agree.

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Great, this has turned into yet another Thornton vs getting time battle ugh.

Anyone got any news on BK?

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yamaneko

Thats my opinion as well, but i think youll find that 90% of other people on this board swear that wilcox got the short end of the stick and wasnt given the full opportunity that kaman was given

Ok, so its going to come down to that. We have had 2 changes already that needed to take place, and at least 2 more changes that need to take place. Thomas has to have his minutes cut in half, and ross' 5-10 minutes as well need to disappear. I dont think thats a given, but it could happen to give thornton about 15 minutes. I STLIL think that even with FOUR changes, were still going to need something more. Such as dunleavvy reversing ground completely and playing Maggette a lot at SG. Also Ross exiting the rotation almost completely. And of course theres always trade and injury.

Yes, but youre betting on something thats not a guarantee. Its one thing not to sign a guy who has a history of medical problems. But then to draft a guy who might only work out IF that currently 100% healthy guy gets injured, and then for only 15-20 games or so...i dont see the logic there when we had other needs.

Ross rarely guards the SF position, only when its guys like kobe or tmac, etc. Usually hes out there to guard the opposing PG for cassell, or another speed demon. I dont think thornton will ever be asked to guard anyone other than a SF, or possibly PF.

It still doesnt matter if davis supplants williams. In my previous minute divying, i have davis as getting 0 minutes. So if williams gets zero minutes, and davis gets 5-8, its still the same. Kaman will get his 30-32, brand will get his 38-40, that doesnt leave too many minuts for thomas up front. The reason i say thornton isnt as good as maggette is he is an unproven commodity who wasnt even a superstar in college. Some people even scoffed at me when i said durant is better than maggette...Durant, perhaps the best college freshman in the history of college basketball. But agian for the same reason, hes unproven in the nba. But t ome, if youre as special as durant is, you can be rated as better than a non all star even before you come into the game. I just dont think its reasonable to say the same about thornton. Someone who wasnt even that spectacular in summer league.

Oh, i thought you originally said that thornton was the 3rd best player on the team overall, which i 100% dont agree with. if hes 3rd best on the team for desire, who knows, i dont pay attention to that that much, he could very well be.

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