2. Davis - Not impressed at all. I still say he doesnt belong in the league, or else just a journeyman. Not looking at the box score, i know he scored a lot, but he didnt show me any improvement over last year. His major problems are lack of speed to really play PF, or guard PF's, and lack of size to play center, or guard centers. He looked exactly the same as last year. Decent outside shot when open, and hit his layups/dunks. But not that great defensively on man up. and still too slow to guard the PF's. For some reason the lakers just refused to guard him tonight, leaving him open for outside shots, and back doors left and right. But he doesnt have anything where he can create his own shot. One thing he does have, which might keep him in the league, is his court awareness. He doesnt have altheticism at all, but seems to always be in the right spot at the right time for rebounds. Like he can sense where the ball will be. Same with getting open. Hes a 2nd roudn pick, so i wouldnt call him a bust...just dont think hes worth more than 500K a year.
2. Kaman - last year he improved leaps and bounds in the passing department, and might even be a bit better this year again. A couple times he caught the ball in the post. Instead of dribbling right away, he surveyed the court and got a couple assists by kicking it out. Also some beautiful entry passes on curl moves to thornton and maggette, i believe they even blew a couple layups off of them. Footwork pretty good, made some moves tonight that not many 7 footers, bynum included in the league can do. The troubling thing was his shot was going in and out again. I dont understand how one person can have so many shots go in and out. Just odds itself is against something like that happening. But, anyway, was pleased with what i saw. Really locked down chris mihm when mihm came in. Another thing he improved on, attacking the basket with authority. He got fouled on some nice drives, where he was going for dunks, when last year they might have been weak layup attempts.
9. Dickau - Very pleased when he was running the team. Had some great penetration, stretched the defense with the outside shooting, and really pushes the ball on the break, not to mention just on normal possessions, getting the offense started early in the shot clock.
10. Knight - DONT like him at all. He got his trademark steals i guess, but i hate him running our team. Hes like ewing...takes his sweet time getting into the offense, barely crossing the half court to beat the 8 second clock, then not getting into the offense unti like 12-14 secs left on the shot clock. Since he has no outside shot, defense can stay home on him, making it harder for the post guys, and guys like maggette to drive.
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Good god. I haven't posted on this site in forever and this is why. An absolute HORRIBLE evaluation of the two most important positions in basketball. Soo biased it makes me want to actually ask if you really watched the game, but I'm convinced it wouldn't really matter.
Anyone who has watched the clippers the last few years would be able to tell so I don't need to go into any real detail.. but did you actually say "Kaman - last year he improved leaps and bounds in the passing department, and might even be a bit better this year again"? The words Kaman and improvement combined with last year = stop reading. You compared Brevin with Ewing.. two totally different players. HAHA And your pleased with Dan Dickau.. a 3rd string PG AT BEST! The guy is soo bad/slow on defense I'd probably rather have Sammy trying to lock somebody down.
Paul Davis looks soo much better than Kaman out there its rediculous.. I can see where the admiration for Kaman comes in.. you both don't have a simple understanding for the game.
*** Not intended to be a personal attack, just a disagreement in talent evaluation.
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This is what happens, when you use emotion to analyze things instead of logic. Emotion of hating on certain players or misconstruing what someone else said never results in a factual analysis.
Lets go over what you "disagreed" with. Kaman improving leaps and bounds last year in passing. You dont agree? And you watched all the games the last few years? From 03-04 kaman could not hit a moving target with a pass. His only assists came from perhaps immediate kickouts after getting the ball in the post. But last year, and many others noticed it, he started hitting people back door, his court vision improved dramatically. Am I saying he became Sabonis? No, but compared to how kaman was two years ago, last year he improved dramatically.
This game he showed even more signs of improvement. The new play that Dunleavvy im assuming drew up of a close to the basket curl by the SF/SG, he was hitting pinpoint passes that not all centers can hit, and kaman himself even last year i never saw hit.
And how did I compare Brevin Knight and Ewing? I said that they both were very slow in getting the ball up the court, and getting the offense in gear. Are you going to tell me you watched last nights game, and tell me something different?
Davis looking better than Kaman? That right there shows your knowledge of the game. Davis did little to nothing NBA level wise that was great, other than being in the right place at the right time. He was too slow to guard the PF's of the other team, too slow to get out on dunleavvy's pic and role defense plan (even getting called for a foul on or two times for getting out late). Davis didnt do anything to create his own shot the whole game. Everything came on wide open jump shots, back door cuts, etc.
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I'm sorry but I only watched the second half of last nights game and in the little time that Kaman was in he made at least three horrible and careless passes that resulted in TOs. I even remember that one pass was so stupid(trying to make a cross court pass to Maggette or Thornton through three defenders and telegraphing it for 3 secs before he actually passed it) that going into a timeout the cameras showed Cassell getting into Kaman's *** for making such a stupid *** pass.
And Yamaneko, the way you are putting down Davis it's like you think that he was the 6th overall pick instead of Kaman because for a mid 2nd round pick he has played very well and haves definatley outplayed Kaman, no matter what way you try to spin it.
It's like you have super high expectations for Davis and super low expectations for Kaman, like he was the 2nd round pick. Like saying Kaman has been improving his passing when he really hasn't(Get just two people on this board to agree with you on that one and I'll say you were right) and saying that Davis can't create his own shot, **** Amare, Dwight Howard and most big men can't create their own shots but are still elite players. So why put him down for that, was he advertised as being someone who can create his own shot? No.
I'll rather have a guy who is in the right places at the right time, making his open shots(which Kaman can't even seem to do 2ft from the basket sometimes) and playing with high basketball IQ instead of someone who turns the ball over way to much for a center and fails to play up to his talent.
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Kaman had the terrible pass as well, yes. Many players had completely bone headed plays, as everyone does every game. There were 15 TO's in the game spread over 8 players. What to look for is signs of improvement, or trend differences. Im sure you would agree that a great many of Kaman's TO's last year was from over dribbling down low, and getting ripped by shorter players coming in to double. We didnt see that tonight. Hopefully thats a sign of things to come. If kaman has 2 steals and a block each game, i certainly dont mind 3 TO's.
As far as Davis, what did i say? I said that its not like much is to be expected, or that hes a bust, since he was a 2nd round pick. Im highlighting his ineptitude to show how poor our front court is...arguably, Davis right now is our BEST option off of the bench in the front court, and hes not very good. Hes a guy who probably would not have been on our active roster in 04/05...yet this year we are so thin, hes our number 1 big off of the bench.
Davis has not outplayed Kaman this preaseason, unless youre counting the games where kaman hasnt played.
Youre telling me you do not believe Kaman has improved in his passing? in that case, you would be the kaman lover, not me. Because If you say that kaman has always been able to do the kind of passes he did last night, then wow, you must really love kaman to make that up. Kaman couldnt hit a moving car from the high post before. I think anyone who has watched all of his games the last few years would agree, unless they think that kaman is perfect, and has always been able to make passes from the low and high post like that.
Amare cannot create his own shot? Dwight howard cannot create his own shot? So i suppoes all of their points come off of pick and roll plays, alley oops, and wide open jump shots? What? Amare can beat his guy off of the dribble almost better than any guy his size. Also has some post moves. Dwight too has great moves down low, he doesnt get all of his points just on put backs and alley oops. Im putting him down for not being able to create his own shot, because the dunleavvy offense is designed for the big guys to get isolation plays, and thats where they would get the majority of their points. There will be a game every now and then like last night, where the other team just decides not to guard you, but im sure youd agree, thats the exception, not the rule. To suceed as a big in dunleavvys offense (unless youre a 3 point shooter like thomas), you have to be able to score in an isolation play, whether it be in the post, or high post, beating your man off of the quick dribble.
But, you sum up the other reason why i point out the davis ineptitude, is because there are actually people on the board who say davis is better than kaman, or who they would rather have davis than kaman if given the choice. They are not even on the same planet at this point. And its not just dunleavvy's fault. If Davis were a FA this year, would anyone think he would be offered a 50 million dollar deal? 40? 30? 20? 10? 5?
I was hoping davis would have improved over last year. Either to lose weight and become a brian cook or tim thomas like perimeter player, or to really become a beast in the low post. But i dont see it at this point. Again, not a big dissapointement, hes only a 2nd round pick, but for the clippers sake i was hoping that our best backup big would have been a little better than he is.
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This is what happens, when you use emotion to analyze things instead of logic. Emotion of hating on certain players or misconstruing what someone else said never results in a factual analysis.
Lets go over what you "disagreed" with. Kaman improving leaps and bounds last year in passing. You dont agree? And you watched all the games the last few years? From 03-04 kaman could not hit a moving target with a pass. His only assists came from perhaps immediate kickouts after getting the ball in the post. But last year, and many others noticed it, he started hitting people back door, his court vision improved dramatically. Am I saying he became Sabonis? No, but compared to how kaman was two years ago, last year he improved dramatically.
This game he showed even more signs of improvement. The new play that Dunleavvy im assuming drew up of a close to the basket curl by the SF/SG, he was hitting pinpoint passes that not all centers can hit, and kaman himself even last year i never saw hit.
And how did I compare Brevin Knight and Ewing? I said that they both were very slow in getting the ball up the court, and getting the offense in gear. Are you going to tell me you watched last nights game, and tell me something different?
Davis looking better than Kaman? That right there shows your knowledge of the game. Davis did little to nothing NBA level wise that was great, other than being in the right place at the right time. He was too slow to guard the PF's of the other team, too slow to get out on dunleavvy's pic and role defense plan (even getting called for a foul on or two times for getting out late). Davis didnt do anything to create his own shot the whole game. Everything came on wide open jump shots, back door cuts, etc.
Well here are quotes from VERY knowledgable clips fans on another board:
"I just hope Dumbleavy stays away from politics and gives Davis PT over Kaman if Chris keeps stinking up the joint. There is no reason to play one player over another just because he makes 10 times more money."
" But Paul Davis was ready for it and stuffed Kwame's dunk attempt. Ref called the foul, not a legitimate one, IMO. I really like the way Davis plays! It showed me he's fearless about challenging shots, and that he reviewed game film and knew Kobe liked to do that."
"sipclip wrote: I know that but when Thomas is starting at the 4 will Dun have the balls to yank Kaman and put in Davis if he's playing like crap."
"lets hope so"
AND TO SUM IT UP NICELY:
Paul Davis is one of those guys, who, the more you get him involved, the more you like of him. He set Al Thornton up for two 3-point shots where Thornton was wide open. He tipped a pass on defense and helped pound the boards with Chris Kaman. There were very few, if any, second chance shots by the Lakers when he was in there.
Paul Davis takes the ball out, runs the floor, and helps space the floor properly when the Clippers have the ball. He made a nice slam dunk off a Cuttino Mobley lob (one reason why Mobley should be starting).
He provided good help defense for Chris Kaman at a time when I thought it'd be the other way around. Paul Davis may get exposed against the Tim Duncan's and Dirk Nowtizki's but the guy's big and strong and can compete just by being 6'11" and 270 lbs."
"Chris Kaman looked like, well, Chris Kaman. The intensity and concentration aren't there. The second the Clippers got Paul Davis involved, he started hitting a few of his shots from the top of the key and made a nice slam dunk. But it's like he had to earn the right (and respect from his teammates) in order to get the ball.
Chris Kaman literally gets the ball every time he calls for it. Opposing teams have learned to not bite on any of his fakes and play for the left handed hook"
Looks like I'm not the one with blinders on..
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So you were basing your ideas off of what other people said? Again, people were saying these things all last year (not me), but what was the reality? Davis wasnt that good for this offense, and dunleavvy didnt play him much. Of COURSE davis should be coming in for kaman OR thomas, whenever either get in foul trouble or arent playing well. Like i said, he is our number 1 big off of the bench it seems like. Who else are we going to bring in? Powell hasnt shown anything yet it seems, Williams is a waste of money.
There is NO reason, barring foul trouble, that powell or williams should take time away from davis, thats how bad those two guys seem to be. But lets see if that actually happens. If davis was as good as some think he is, he would have got more PT last year. If davis is "better" than kaman, then CERTAINLY guys like williams and powell will not take a minute away from his PT this year. Lets see.
Some of the other things mentioned above, quite laughable. Davis is "fearless" challenging shots beacuse he tried to block a shot from someone 4 inches and 60 pounds shorter than him? And beacuse he went for the block, somehow that means that for sure he must have studied exact film on that?
The reason there were no 2nd chance opportunities for the lakers was because of paul davis and his 3 defensive rebounds? Williams, thornton, Cassell, Maggette, Kaman all had the same or more defensive rebounds than he.
Davis is only going to be exposed by the Dirks and the duncans of the league?
Intensity wasnt there for kaman? I dont recall a game in the last 8 months where kaman attacked the basket with authority like last night. Concentration wasnt there? Did a ball hit him in the face? Was he out of position on plays? Was he late getting out to defend the pick and roll, and got called for a foul? Oh no, that was davis. But still, unless someone is just standing there doing nothing, like wilcox did every now and then, i dont see how we can say they are lacking concentration.
Kaman gets the ball when he calls for it? What kind of statement is that? The offense is DESIGNED to get whomever in the post the ball if the play is open. Sometimes the play isnt open, and kaman, or whomever is there doesnt get the ball. To make a statement like kaman gets the ball whenever he calls for it...like hes kobe or something calling for the ball outside the 3 point line is ridiculous.
If youre going to use quotes from other people to try to make a point, pick better quotes.
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My take on Kaman vs Davis. There is no doubt Kaman is a superior player.
Passing: I don't think Chris has 'improved' his passing, it's just the fact he's actually looking to pass as opposed to taking 10 dribbles 4 feet away from the basket like he used too. If you want to say he's improved his passing, go ahead, but I have to say he has just improved his decision making in that perspective. No doubt Davis is a better passer then Chris, so I won't get into that.
Scoring: Sure, Davis can't create his own shot, but I don't think we'll need him for that. He'll be more of the kick-out guy to hit the jumper or play the Vlade|B. Miller role by passing it out of the post constantly. Kaman still misses some point-blank shots and just doesn't seem like the shot falls in as it rims right back out. Neither can really create, Kaman mainly spins before he tries to shoot, and can't seem to hit a jumper, while Davis is eh in the post but can hit jumpers.
Rebounding: Chris is easily the better rebounder as he boxes out very well and has the strength to do so, while Davis isn't good at boxing out, but seems to know where the ball will go somehow at times.
Now, I'm not saying Davis = Kaman or close to being on Chris' level, but Davis is the one who is exceeding expectations as a mid 2nd rounder while Kaman has to come back and show he just had a bad year.
I still remember the Raps wanted Kaman over Wade, which would have led Heat taking Bosh and obviously Wade would have been a Clipper.
So you were basing your ideas off of what other people said? Again, people were saying these things all last year (not me), but what was the reality? Davis wasnt that good for this offense, and dunleavvy didnt play him much. Of COURSE davis should be coming in for kaman OR thomas, whenever either get in foul trouble or arent playing well. Like i said, he is our number 1 big off of the bench it seems like. Who else are we going to bring in? Powell hasnt shown anything yet it seems, Williams is a waste of money.
There is NO reason, barring foul trouble, that powell or williams should take time away from davis, thats how bad those two guys seem to be. But lets see if that actually happens. If davis was as good as some think he is, he would have got more PT last year. If davis is "better" than kaman, then CERTAINLY guys like williams and powell will not take a minute away from his PT this year. Lets see.
Some of the other things mentioned above, quite laughable. Davis is "fearless" challenging shots beacuse he tried to block a shot from someone 4 inches and 60 pounds shorter than him? And beacuse he went for the block, somehow that means that for sure he must have studied exact film on that?
The reason there were no 2nd chance opportunities for the lakers was because of paul davis and his 3 defensive rebounds? Williams, thornton, Cassell, Maggette, Kaman all had the same or more defensive rebounds than he.
Davis is only going to be exposed by the Dirks and the duncans of the league?
Intensity wasnt there for kaman? I dont recall a game in the last 8 months where kaman attacked the basket with authority like last night. Concentration wasnt there? Did a ball hit him in the face? Was he out of position on plays? Was he late getting out to defend the pick and roll, and got called for a foul? Oh no, that was davis. But still, unless someone is just standing there doing nothing, like wilcox did every now and then, i dont see how we can say they are lacking concentration.
Kaman gets the ball when he calls for it? What kind of statement is that? The offense is DESIGNED to get whomever in the post the ball if the play is open. Sometimes the play isnt open, and kaman, or whomever is there doesnt get the ball. To make a statement like kaman gets the ball whenever he calls for it...like hes kobe or something calling for the ball outside the 3 point line is ridiculous.
If youre going to use quotes from other people to try to make a point, pick better quotes.
No I'm not basing my thoughts off of what others are saying.. I'm pointing out that astute clipper fans AGREE with what I'm saying. These are"die hard" fans that are not "homers" and over the last year + have tried to give Kaman the benefit of the doubt, but his play has become so bad, inconsistant (whatever term you want to use) they can't defend him anymore.
The only reason Paul Davis didn't get more pt last year (and he deserved it) was because Kaman is "Dumbleavy's guy". He's the one who got Kaman his deal (Kaman even said he wouldn't sign until Dunleavy was taken care of)and it was obvious he wasn't gonna pull his boy out NO MATTER how bad he played. Kaman's play last season didn't warrant even half the minutes he got.
Now I'm not really sure if you watched the game.. P. DAvis challenged Kwame at the rim and made an excellent block. Is Kwame "4 inches and 60 pounds shorter" as you said the Davis.. hmmm.
Did you even check the box score.. Davis had 3 more points and only 2 fewer rebounds (1off, 1def) and thats in almost 7 FEWER MINUTES! Davis had 5 assists (2 that set up Al Thorton for wide open 3's)and only 1 turnover.
Kaman calls for the ball many times when he's in no position to and then proceeds to force his way to the rim by spinning and usually shuffling his feet. He doesn't work hard for position and make one or two solid go to moves and even if he does find himself with an easy shot he usually chokes it (lets see he shot 36% from the field 66% free throws last night).
Kaman is a good defender haha. His lack of focus has him always lost and missing rotations (did you like the replay they kept showing when he bites soo hard on the pump fake under the basket and then gives up the and 1). He picked up his 5th foul with over 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and that happens all to often.
Paul Davis is a heady player who understands the game, does the little things that win games while not hurting his team. By no means is he a "top" center but he would help this team win more than Chris Kaman at least the way the two are currently playing.
I love Davis' quote after the game:
"I just try to get in, we got a lot of scores, so really my thing is get some rebounds, make some good passes, and hit open shots when I have it, get around the basket, go up with it, just do what I’m supposed to be doing. Just stay within my game. Don’t force it. Let it come to you."
Kaveman needs to work on this.. he's the king of forcing things and not playing within his game.
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Ok. first clippper game ive seen since summerleague. Gave me a good idea of a lot of things i was wondering about. First of all, im not even paying attention to this box score, i dont think its important in this setting. What i was looking for were tendencies. Tell tale good/bad signs. Movement away from the ball, etc. etc.
Here is my analysis
1. Dunleavvy - Dont really see this new up tempo thing he said he would try. Still heard him call out the same plays mostly. I like kaman in the high post area with some new entry passes...more on that later. But one thing that i was really pleased with, was out of a timeout, the clippers did a full court play that actually was beautiful. Ended with a thornton dunk, but it was drawn up beautifully. How many times last year did we see a timeout called, and the play out of the timeout completely inploded?
2. Davis - Not impressed at all. I still say he doesnt belong in the league, or else just a journeyman. Not looking at the box score, i know he scored a lot, but he didnt show me any improvement over last year. His major problems are lack of speed to really play PF, or guard PF's, and lack of size to play center, or guard centers. He looked exactly the same as last year. Decent outside shot when open, and hit his layups/dunks. But not that great defensively on man up. and still too slow to guard the PF's. For some reason the lakers just refused to guard him tonight, leaving him open for outside shots, and back doors left and right. But he doesnt have anything where he can create his own shot. One thing he does have, which might keep him in the league, is his court awareness. He doesnt have altheticism at all, but seems to always be in the right spot at the right time for rebounds. Like he can sense where the ball will be. Same with getting open. Hes a 2nd roudn pick, so i wouldnt call him a bust...just dont think hes worth more than 500K a year.
2. Kaman - last year he improved leaps and bounds in the passing department, and might even be a bit better this year again. A couple times he caught the ball in the post. Instead of dribbling right away, he surveyed the court and got a couple assists by kicking it out. Also some beautiful entry passes on curl moves to thornton and maggette, i believe they even blew a couple layups off of them. Footwork pretty good, made some moves tonight that not many 7 footers, bynum included in the league can do. The troubling thing was his shot was going in and out again. I dont understand how one person can have so many shots go in and out. Just odds itself is against something like that happening. But, anyway, was pleased with what i saw. Really locked down chris mihm when mihm came in. Another thing he improved on, attacking the basket with authority. He got fouled on some nice drives, where he was going for dunks, when last year they might have been weak layup attempts.
3. Maggette - Maggette was maggette. I see zero improvement, but someone his age you dont really expect to improve anyway. I say he goes for over 20 this year since the ball will be in his hands more. He still does the same old stuff, nothing new from him...occasional jump shot...getting fouled....couple missed and-1s, some silly TO's, but at the end of the night we should be able t ocount on 22 points from him.
4. Cassell - Looks a step slower. I hope its just him toning it down in the preseason. Shot not completely there. Im worried about him lasting the season. Hope hes just saving his a game for the regular season.
5. Ross - We know his defense, what i wanted to see was more outside shot, because hes a SF trapped in a SG's body at this time. He didnt dissapoint. Hit 2 three pointers i believe, something i doubt he has ever done in any game in his career. Thats what he needs to do.
6. Mobley - A little rusty, but to be expected. I think we can count on a similar year to last year with him.
7. patterson - Really hustles on both ends of the court. Played the passing lanes well. I cant see how he doesnt get on the roster. Hes a dunleavvy type guy.
8. Williams - Outside of a dunk, he pretty much stunk it up on both ends of the court. At this point even davis is better than him.
9. Dickau - Very pleased when he was running the team. Had some great penetration, stretched the defense with the outside shooting, and really pushes the ball on the break, not to mention just on normal possessions, getting the offense started early in the shot clock.
10. Knight - DONT like him at all. He got his trademark steals i guess, but i hate him running our team. Hes like ewing...takes his sweet time getting into the offense, barely crossing the half court to beat the 8 second clock, then not getting into the offense unti like 12-14 secs left on the shot clock. Since he has no outside shot, defense can stay home on him, making it harder for the post guys, and guys like maggette to drive.
11. thornton - As i suspected, very similar skill set to singleton. Jumps high, good outside shot when open, good instincts on the glass, looks to be decent shot blocker. The thing that sets thornton apart from singleton though is probably his lack of timidness. Singleton at times would pass up shots, and wouldnt be aggressive, instead passing the ball off. Thornton just goes for it. Most of his shots were good, and in the offense, probably only 2 bad shots all evening. Thats what will keep him in the lineup. If he gets like the maggette of early last year, and starts chucking bad shots, he will be benched right away. I doubt he had any assists tonight, that might be a problem with him. But good to see his aggresiveness, and that he is not intimidated by being a rookie. Not sure how much dunleavvy had to do with it, but singleton never seemed to have confidence out there, even though he had the skills.
Korolev didnt play that i saw, diaz played like a few seconds. Thomas didnt play. Not sure who im forgetting.
I completely disagree with your evaluation on Thornton.. I wasnt happy with the pick but it looks like we finally got one right. He is far more talented offensively than Singleton. The kid has all the goods. Didnt know he had 3 pt range but damn he was eaily the most impressive player on the court. Its time to admit you were WRONG! I already have a long time ago!
I don't think Chris has 'improved' his passing, it's just the fact he's actually looking to pass as opposed to taking 10 dribbles 4 feet away from the basket like he used too.
Well first of all, is that not improveing in the passing aspect of his game? its like if i were to say maggette's shooting has improved, but then someone says, well its just his shot selection that has improved. Its the same thing. But at the same time, i still maintain his ability in itself has improved as well. He would throw the ball away his rookie and first year the FEW times he even tried to throw the ball to a curling player. Last night he hit his man every time, and last year he was better as well. Not sure if davis is a better passer. From the PF position there are more opportunities, but i wouldnt say that he has more passing skill than kaman comparing apples to apples. We havent seen enogh of davis to say that. I think for davis to become a guaranteed roster guy for his career, that is one thing within his reach i think he could do. Become a brad miller type passer, and that makes up for any size or speed defficiences.
Im trying to think of what good big man passers we have had in team history. The only one i can remember is Brian williams (aka bison dele). Kaman is no where near that level in passing, but cmopared to year 1 and 2 kaman, hes much better.
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Sure, Davis can't create his own shot, but I don't think we'll need him for that. He'll be more of the kick-out guy to hit the jumper or play the Vlade|B. Miller role by passing it out of the post constantly.
I think we do need him for that this year. if he is our first big off of the bench, we need him to score and be able to score. Its going to be hard for him when he has to go one on one during the year...he wont get the complete lack of defense like he had last night all the time. If he was that vlade miller kind of guy, that would be great. From when we drafted him, thats how i envisioned his role if he were to be a long time clipper. Just havent seen it yet.
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Neither can really create, Kaman mainly spins before he tries to shoot, and can't seem to hit a jumper, while Davis is eh in the post but can hit jumpers.
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