yamaneko

Anyone interested in us trying to make a move for him in a sign and trade deal? Seems like he wants out of Cavs land no matter what. No way would i give him the 8-10 million that he supposedly wants, but i wouldnt mind giving him a deal slightly higher than the MLE. He seems like the kind of guy who would be perfect for the dunleavvy offense. If we have a dominating PF like brand, that negates kaman pretty much. Some might say oh well, but i maintain, why give a guy 50 million if we cant get our money's worth.

Varejao is a hustler, great rebounder, decent defender, and energy galore. Not sure if hes reached his potential yet either, hes only about a year older than thornton despite this being his 4th nba year.

Not sure how we would get him, perhaps mid season maggette trade (lebron would love that). Ultimate fantasy would be somehow doing a 3 way sign and trade after the year that included somehow brand to the cavs, varejao to us, larry hughes and maggette to washington, and arenas to us, along with draft picks being traded here and there. That, coupled with livvy coming back from injury and getting rose/mayo in the draft would give us a championship the next couple of years perhaps!

But i digres....bottom line is i think varejao, if he came down on his asking price, would be a good fit for this team this year, and in the future. Thoughts?

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joser

i dont think he's worth 8-10 mil. prolly 6 mil. that about it

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ElMarroAfamado

hmmm, how bout no.

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yamaneko

marro....no at what price though? Like i said, and joser, we wouldnt pay him 8-10 million...but at what point do you say yes? You still wouldnt take him if it was 6-7 million?

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leidout

He's a good hustle player, if he ever ever drops his price, i'd be happy to have him as a clipper. I agree 6mil per year would be the absolute max he should get.

bootstrenf

although i would hate it, a maggette for varejao trade makesa lot of sense for us...it depends on maggette's intentions after this season...if he has the desire to remain a clipper for a reasonable price, then i say we keep him...if his intentions are to leave after this season, i think trading him for varejao would be a no brainer...and i really wouldn't see this as a move to replace brand...varejao would simply round out our froncourt rotation...we can keep brand and kaman, and varejao would be that guy who could come in to relieve either one...thornton would replace corey...

i only worry about the fact that corey was the only clipper who could manufacture points for us at the line and off the dribble(wade-lite)...

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yamaneko

Yeah, but hes not resigning with us anyway so might as well get something for nothing, and cross our fingers that thornton dramtically inmproves his game to make the loss less hurtful. Or perhaps if we DONT get a top 5 pick in the draft, we could get budinger to replace maggette. Between thornton and budinger id hope they could come up with maggette's output

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Showtime87

I agree, no way he's worth even that much, but that's the absolute max he should get paid by anybody right now. Wouldn't mind having him, but I'd worry about his attitude because of the way he's handled these negotiations with Cleveland. He's a young player who just made it to the finals playing with Lebron James and he's scoffing at a deal that would pay him 25 million over the next four years. (I think that was the rumored offer if I'm not mistaken). On second thought, I think I would just pass on this guy. The Clippers have enough problems without a cocky malcontent on the roster.

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yamaneko

I just have a feeling...this is not a factual statement....but that agents are ruining the careers of players with bad advice. Olowokandi, boykins, varejao, and numerous other similar situations of late, where we see guys opting out of deals, not taking qualifying offers, etc. etc. thinking they can get more money, when it is really a long shot. I cant believe that the players are all as greedy as the media portrays them to be...i think that at least with SOME of these, they are getting bad advice from their agents who we all know are the most greedy rats out there.

Would varejao's attitude be a problem? yes and no. First of all, by definition, we here are saying wed only like him for about 6 million or so...so if we have him for that amount, obviously he would have had to accept that offer, and theres no room for griping that hes worth more, since that subject couldnt come up for the next 5 years or so..He hasnt complained in the past about playing time has he? And i dont think that would be a problem here. Once brand leave, hes guaranteed the starting spot over Thomas, IMO.

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Showtime87

I couldn't agree more, I'm certain that some of these greedy agents are doing a terrible disservice to their clients by making outrageous contract demands. Although it's the players responsibility to look at all of the factors involved and determine wether or not they're being helped or hurt by their respective agents. Some players don't even bother with agents anymore, since the NBA has restructured it's salaries there really isn't much need for them anyway. I think Varejao is being naive if he truly believes that he's worth what his agent is asking for, and if he's letting that prevent him from playing right now he's the only one to blame. I couldn't even conceive of offering Varejao a long-term deal and letting Brand walk, that to me is unthinkable. He is what he is, a nice complimentary player who can help almost any team, but a starting PF in the NBA? I'm not so sure about that.

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yamaneko

Well, its not about letting brand walk. Pretty much cavs have said they would match deals made to varejao whether he wants to stay or not, and so a sign and trade would be about the only option we can realistically get him. So if were trading for example brand for varejao and hughes or something, i wouldnt call that letting brand walk. Id say it would be a linear move.

Varejao was a 7 and 7 guy in limited minutes in an NBA finals team. For what our needs are in our offense, i think hes perfect, (for 6 million). I dont know of many others in the league, who could realistically sign for 6 million, that id rather have. Biedrens perhaps, but biedrins i think will go for at least 8 or 9. Haslem is also intriguing...but thats the kind of guy id like here long term. a relatively inexpensive younger guy (haslem, varejao) who we can count on for probably 11 and 7 a night, allowing kaman to do a lot of the work.

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yamaneko

another missed opportunity. Varejao signs today for the MLE with the bobcats, cavs have a week to match.

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Not a real opportunity, the Cavs will match it, and everyone involved knows about it.

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