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Free Arsenal · 04-24-2008, 05:40 PM

What if the policy changes and no longer allows the use of "yamastar"?

**yamaneko** · 04-24-2008, 09:56 PM

on the general board? Are you saying you started a similar thread on the general board? Why would you do such a thing? Feeling insecure about your opinions? The only reason why i even made a new thread on it is because it was clutteirng up other off topic threads, and wanted to see what clipper fans thought about where redd rates. So far i dont really see anyone disagreeing wholeheartedly with my comments here on where redd ranks. I see a couple here mentioning defense, which i do think is important, but its almost as if some say redd has cassell like defense.

Redd's game the last few seasons speak for itself as to where he should rank. Seems like the pure SG is a dying breed. Since Ray allen, other than michael redd, how many really are there...truly elite SG's? Before there were more it seemed.

I doubt we have a shot at prying michael redd away from the bucks. But unlike most other stars, he just MIGHT be someone on the trading block, come the summer. We shall see.

leidout · 04-25-2008, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by yamaneko

on the general board? Are you saying you started a similar thread on the general board? Why would you do such a thing? Feeling insecure about your opinions? The only reason why i even made a new thread on it is because it was clutteirng up other off topic threads, and wanted to see what clipper fans thought about where redd rates.

Oh my ****ing god, you are ridiculous, ONCE AGAIN, read my request:

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Originally Posted by leidout

when you place special criteria to qualify someone, then you are in fact creating a new definition, which i have coined as Yamastar. If you would like to test your viewpoint against the general forum, please do, i'm sure at least 20 people will be happy to tell you that your opinion is flat out wrong

And YOUR RESPONSE:

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Originally Posted by yamaneko

As you suggested i will go ahead and start a new thread on michael redd, and where he ranks among SG's. That actually is a valid topic.

BTW, i think its quite obvious which one of us is the insecure one, you won't even defend your opinion there where you have much less control. Whereas you've deleted posts that disagree with you on this topic.

And i made no secret at all about the creation of this post, i wanted everyone to know about it the moment i cut & pasted there, i was very very very sure that my belief in what a "Superstar" is, is in accordance with at least 95% of the people, while your criteria about "Superstar" is in the vast minority.

So go to the general board, get railed for a day or two, then come back and say it with me "Ok I admit, Michael Redd is a Yamaneko Superstar only!"

(note to weasel: new word this time, its accurate with no "baiting" implied.)

ray_allen_20 · 04-25-2008, 08:28 AM

Michael Redd gets alot of buckets inside. His shooting is COMPLETELY overrated. Not only he is not even close to being one of the elite shooters in the league, hes not even the best shooter on the team! Mo williams has a higher FT% and 3pt% than him.

ClippersRuleLA · 04-25-2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ray_allen_20

Michael Redd gets alot of buckets inside. His shooting is COMPLETELY overrated. Not only he is not even close to being one of the elite shooters in the league, hes not even the best shooter on the team! Mo williams has a higher FT% and 3pt% than him.

you really have no idea what your talking about. couldnt this happen because michael redd attempts the more three pointers and is the main go to option on his team right?

michael redd three pointers made-attempted
130-359/ 0.362

mo williams three pointers made-attempted/ three point percentage
89-231/ 0.385

thank you nba.com

**yamaneko** · 04-25-2008, 10:33 AM

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BTW, i think its quite obvious which one of us is the insecure one, you won't even defend your opinion there where you have much less control. Whereas you've deleted posts that disagree with you on this topic.

Um no...i have not even checked the thread that it sounds like you posted, if i cared about what people in the general forum thought, id be posting there most of the time, instead of the clipper forum. If i would post something about this anywhere other than the clippers board, it would probably be the bucks board, but not interested in doing that neither. Im not insecure at all, i openly discuss any and all things that Ive discussed before here on the clipper board. I dont go to other non clipper boards to have to try to rally people to my cause. Ive never deleted any posts that did not go against board rules, its been explained to you many times. If someone does have a legit argument ive actually welcomed and almost BEGGED for that...but it rarely happens. Instead baiting and personal attacks we have, which do get deleted. But since it seems like you are insecure about your opinions, it seems like you need to resort to continue to slander, and accuse me of things that just arent happening.

And no, michael redd is not a superstar only in my opinion, but rather the opinion of many. I bet if you do a google search on news reports, there will be quite a few that have michael redd and star or superstar in the same article. I know i hear it on broadcasts the last 3 years. I never have said that 100% of all people everywhere cannot deny that he is a superstar. I gave my criteria of what i view as one, and it obviously is shared by many in the media as they give him that label as well. Heck, there are people out there that do not think that kobe is a true superstar for who knows what reason.

Even elton brand is considered by some to be a superstar. There are people on this very board who think that guys like maggette and jordan are superstars. So the fact that you take such offense that i would call someone with the resume of Redd a star, is quite perplexing.

bootstrenf · 04-25-2008, 01:17 PM

welll, since you lack the ~~testicular fortitude~~ to defend your position in the general forum, i will bring the opinions of the general forum in here....

here are some thoughts on redd:

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Originally Posted by LameR

I don't have a very high opinion of Redd. I'd rank Kobe, Wade, Allen, Manu, and Johnson over him.

Also, Roy's 19/5/6 now, so I find it a little funny that you say maybe he could become 20/5/5 next year. His scoring may actually end up going down with Oden and Rudy coming, with more assists resulting. [/hijack]

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Originally Posted by HKF

At his salary for what he brings to a team, he is one of the least impactful players in the NBA. He doesn't rebound, he doesn't assist, he simply is a volume shooter. He's basically Rashard Lewis. I know people will say, "but you're a Ben Gordon fan." To wit I will reply, it's different when Ben is scoring those points on a rookie salary deal, not a 93 million dollar contract.

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Originally Posted by GrandKenyon6

Redd is a tremendously over-rated player.

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Originally Posted by Pioneer10

No one in there right mind would take Redd over Manu (and I'm hoping the Cavs get Redd). Giniboli's a more efficient scorer (because he's get to the line), is a better defender, better passer, and better rebounder then Redd.

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Originally Posted by croco

He is a poor man's version of Carmelo Anthony and that is not a good thing.

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Originally Posted by rawse

I don't really care where he ranks among "pure" SGs (6-5 to 6-7 guys who don't play any other position). It's irrelevant. I'll take Monta Ellis and stick him in there at SG because he gets the job done.

That's really the only list that matters.

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Originally Posted by Ruff Draft

He is just a shooter. Plain and simple. I'd take everyone on that list over him easily.

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Originally Posted by bootstrenf

Kobe Bryant
Dwayne Wade
Ray Allen
Manu Ginobili
Kevin Martin
Ben Gordon
Joe Johnson
Monta Ellis
Brandon Roy
Vince Carter
Richard Hamilton
Tracy McGrady
Allen Iverson
Kevin Durant

only people that aren't better than redd are: ben gordon, vince carter, and kevin durant....durant only because he is a rookie with such a low shooting percentage.....

and i happent to think manu is at least a top 5 sg in the league...he has such an impact in winning and losing....mostly winning though....

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Originally Posted by billfindlay10

Redd is good, but does not seem to be a game changer....

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Originally Posted by KennethTo

1)Kobe
2)Wade
3)Roy
4)AI
5)Gino
6)McGrady
7)Joe Johnson
8)Ray Allen
9)Michael Redd
10)Monta Ellis

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Originally Posted by Nutritionals

In the right situation, Redd can be a great asset to a team(a la Ray Allen) but he's obviously not someone to build a team around(a la Kobe or Wade)

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Originally Posted by seifer0406

Redd is not someone that you build your offense around, and that's why the Bucks have been struggling. He should be used like how the Hornets use Peja or how the Celtics are using Ray Allen, as a pure shooter that relies on someone else to create shots for him. If he's used correctly, he isn't any worse than any other pure shooter in the league but doesn't offer as much to the table as guys that can slash and create shots for others.

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Originally Posted by Hibachi

He's a shooter, and he's not a superstar. He's a really good second-hand man, which is why the Bucks sucked so much this year. Still not as bad as that eyesore that is Bobby Simmon's contract, but it is pretty bad.

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Originally Posted by B-Roy

How much defense does Redd play? Close to none.

**yamaneko** · 04-25-2008, 03:03 PM

Good lord, and thats why i dont care much for the general forum. some of those things said are pretty crazy IMO. A guy said he would take ben gordon, kevin martin, durant, etc. over redd? lol. the guy who said redd isnt a game changer despite the game winning shots he has made, despite him holding the NBA record of 3's in the 4th quarter? lol. A guy compared him to carmelo anthony? Lol. Some of those things are downright laughable. Oh well. Not sure why youre posting that here, those opinions really dont help your side of the argument much with some of those things said.

HB · 04-25-2008, 03:20 PM

Melo isn't that crazy a comparison because of their scoring ability. They really dont do much besides that

**yamaneko** · 04-25-2008, 04:54 PM

But when someone says "poor mans..." usually its to say they have similar look and/or styles right? Like people thought livvy was going to be a "poor mans magic" due to his height and propensity for the no look pass. They call any undersized, stocky PF's a "poor man's elton brand." Heck, when redd first started coming up, youd here that he was a "poor man's ray allen" due to similar size, and shooting ability. I dont know who would be a poor man's carmello, but i dont see much similarities in their style between him and redd.

ClippersRuleLA · 04-25-2008, 08:05 PM

you would take michael redd over kevin durant?

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