CoolHandLuke

Kobe doesn't play any teams I like enough to "break my heart many a times."

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that, when your team is getting the calls, if you don't like ONE, you shut the hell up. Kobe complains when HE doesn't get the calls. As a result, his TEAM stops getting calls. And, I'm not going to believe that ANY player has "every right" to complain to officials, EVER. If he was an average bench player, he'd have more TECHNICALS than he does.

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DP

So he shouldn't complain because other team is fouling Shaq 50 times in a game ? Lakers are perceived as a team getting a lot of calls because many of the calls are intentional fouls on Shaq. Don't focus on an ocassional miscue by Ref that went in favor of lakers because there are equal number of calls, if not more, that went against Lakers. They even out in the end. There will be a game when they don't and one team will benefit form a call but I have seen that both pro and against Lakers.

As hard as Kobe gets fouled in the lane, yes he has a good reason to complain when he is getting jobbed even if the over all call stipped in Laker's favor that night. Ever been fouled by NBA PF/C ? I haven't but it looks very painful.

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hOnDo

Maybe you should look at your own team and see who complains about calls. Remeber in Game 7 when Vlade fouled out and started rolling around on the ground . Every All-Star gets treatment from the officials, Tim Duncan, Webber, Shaq, Kobe..its to be expected, that they are gonna be looking for calls to go their own way.

CoolHandLuke

Are you incapable of understanding my point, or just refusing to respond to it? I'm not talking about the OVERALL GAME. There are times, for example, a 6-minute period, where several calls are going the Lakers' way. Shaq is a crafty enough verteran to know that. That's why there are times that he just shuts up. Kobe, on the other hand, doesn't know when the right time to complain is, and when the right time to stay quiet is. That's why so many fans of other teams dislike him. I'm not talking about what the Lakers are perceived as, I'm not talking about expecting star treatment, and I'm not talking about occasional miscues. I'm talking about small periods of time where Kobe doesn't have enough sense to know when to keep his mouth shut. I'm not talking about an entire game. I'm not even talking about an entire quarter. And I'm certainly not talking about the Lakers' perception over the course of the season. THAT is why many people dislike Kobe Bryant.

And, BTW, I'm not a Kings fan. That has more to do with my dislike of a certain person than anything else, but I won't get into that here.

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DP

Yes it's because YOU DON"T HAVE A POINT. I ask you again, name a player (with a possible exception of Duncan) who doesn't cry about a hard foul he didn't get.

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CoolHandLuke

Are you READING MY POSTS?

Okay, here's one: SHAQUILLE O'NEAL. If you refuse to attempt to understand the circumstances under which I'm referring to, that's your problem, but please don't reply to me until you attempt to, and then, at least respond to something I said rather than repeating something that's pretty obvious.

I don't have a point? Well, excuse me for trying to help beautifulkobe understand more clearly why other fans dislike Kobe Bryant, I thought that was the topic of this thread! What was I thinking, reading the subject line and whatnot...

Oh, and where did 'HARD' foul enter the discussion? I'm not talking about HARD fouls at all...

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I understand what everyone is saying and what they've noticed about Kobe's attitude/arrogance, but why is everyone caught up with that??

these players are young and very compettetive, For example, To name a few - KG, T-mac, K-mart, Pierce & Walker has the same image.

Now-a-days the young players have that attitude in them, If KG won a championship, I'm sure everyone would bash him for that.

KG is the NBA's atittude no doubt about it.....Everyone just targets Kobe because of his Success.

Like I said he's a fierce competitor, and a 3 time champ, he's gonna floss his pride....

that might come off in a negative manner to many , but attitude is part being compettetive whether it's arrogance or being Cocky (IMO)

It's all just being part of the challenge and having fun with it. It does bring out the best in an athlete.

The bottom line is these players have the talent and Skills to back it up,

it's very entertaining and that what the NBA needs, look at it as that.

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CoolHandLuke

Just want to let you know, I appreciate the reasonable response.

However, I'm really not referring to his arrogance or cockiness. That I really don't have a problem with, and I don't think many other people do, either. It's the way he goes about whining that gets me!

I'm not talking about the OVERALL GAME. There are times, for example, a 6-minute period, where several calls are going the Lakers' way. Shaq is a crafty enough verteran to know that. That's why there are times that he just shuts up. Kobe, on the other hand, doesn't know when the right time to complain is, and when the right time to stay quiet is. That's why so many fans of other teams dislike him. I'm not talking about what the Lakers are perceived as, I'm not talking about expecting star treatment, and I'm not talking about occasional miscues. I'm talking about small periods of time where Kobe doesn't have enough sense to know when to keep his mouth shut. I'm not talking about an entire game. I'm not even talking about an entire quarter. And I'm certainly not talking about the Lakers' perception over the course of the season. THAT is why many people dislike Kobe Bryant.
- don't know whether or not you read that.


Also, I'll conceed, some of it DOES have to do with his success. You could compare it to the Yankees in baseball; nobody but New Yorkers and fairweather fans can stand George Steinbrenner. Why? Because of his success. If he bought all the players in the world and didn't win anything, would anybody care? Well no, probably not. Kobe's arrogance could be compared to Joe Torre trying to take credit for the Yankees' success when everyone knows that it's George with the bucks that's buying the championships. (Well, everybody knows that but Yankee fans!!) George in this situation would be Shaq, and Torre is Kobe, except, Torre doesn't have that arrogance about him. That's why people that dislike the Yankees, like myself, are Torre fans.

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Chops

I think you have confused optimism with arrogance....

CoolHandLuke

I assume that was in response to me? Again, I'll reiterate, I'm not talking about arrogance. That's not the subject I'm referring to when I talk about why Kobe annoys me. And Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson really have nothing to do with this discussion as neither of them are Kobe Bryant, however, you're right, they both do come off as pretty arrogant, however that's related to this topic.

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jazzy1

Luke I feel what you're saying about Kobe with the complaining ,I don't see it but Jordan drove me crazy in his Prime with the exact same thing would chop people up defensively and they would say in the 4th quarter he has gotten his 1st foul I'd be like wow and he is complaining about calls, Kobe gets in far more foul trouble than Jordan ever did. I do here alot of people talk about Kobe's cockiness as a reason for why they don't like him so I don't know if you're reasoning for why so many people don't like him is accurate for the majority of Kobe Haters, Man Kobe needs his own board everybody has an opinion on the guy.

beautifulkobe

Ok I get what your saying and I respect your opionion even though I dont agree with it.But this is the first time Ive heard someone say they hate kobe cause of him whining about foul calls and not knowing when to shut up.Usually people say arrogance is the key reason why kobe is hated.Atleast you have an original reason.

beautifulkobe

Im gonna expand on this a little.I dont get why kobe never goes to the foul line.The refs really dont give him calls.Och that game 5.Anways maybe its because everytime he drives or gets stipped he yells "hey".I think its extremely unfair for him.I dont blame him for whining about calls its cause he never gets them.For all the time kobe drives into traffic and gets mauled you would think he would go to the foul line more often.

Wiggum

In 2001-2002, Kobe Bryant played 3063 minutes. In that time, he went to the foul line 589 times. That averages out to 1 free throw attempt every 5 minutes and 12 seconds.

Bryant's 589 free throw attempts were 5th in the NBA, behind only O'Neal, Duncan, Pierce, and Malone. How often do you WANT him to go to the foul line...?

The OUTLAW

Okay maybe he's not a top 5 player but I would definitely put him in the top 10. I still see no reason to dislike him.

Cocky? Aren't all basketball players cocky? I think that you have to be to get that far in athletics.