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beautifulkobe · 08-07-2002, 01:41 PM

Shobe42 I remeber that dunk like it was yesterday.One of the things I love about kobe is that you dont know what hes gonna do next.That dunk came out of the blue and the clock was runing down.I had no idea he was gonna fly to the rim like that.He literally flew from the freethrow line to the rim.That was unbeliavable.Also I didnt know kobe dunked more then anyone in the league in the season.Hmm Interesting.

I think his season is gonna be the best one yet.Kobes talent is on a different level then anyone else.The things he does and his creative moves are awesome.

The other plays that stick out from the finals.Those crazy threes at the end of game 2.Right after the second one Marv Albert called Kobe MJ.That was amazing.Then in game 3 first he shot a clutch three with kmarts hand in his face.Then that shot with kidd and kittles all over him and he shot it in when kidds hand was right infront of his face and kidd was holding his arm.Thats like the most difficult shot to take.

shobe42 · 08-07-2002, 03:56 PM

The dunk was cool but the last two shots you named the one with K-Mart in his face and with Kidd holding his arm is what seperates Kobe from the rest of the league. Those were both very clutch. And you almost could mistake him for Mike cause before he shot it you know it was money.

Batman17 · 08-07-2002, 08:55 PM

I don't know why people hate Kobe, the guy has done nothing wrong. They say he's arrogant and cocky; well ha! who in the NBA isn't in fact McGrady i probably the most arrogant and cocky guy in the NBA! Yet here nobody says anything about i?!!!! They say Kobe is nothing without Shaq?!! Was Tracy nothing without Vince?!! And don't give me that bull of he blossomed! He didn't he just got put into a different situation. In one year you don't just blossom like that. Also McGrady hasn't proven himself with another star on the team. When Hill was alright for awhile McGrady's stats dropped. Well, some would say well he's not used to playing with Hill! To that I say well Kobe's not used to playing without Shaq! You see the offense and all the players are built around Shaq not Kobe. To be Kobe's team there would have to be players more suited to him. The lakers of now aren't athletes or run and gun, they slow the game down and hit shots from outside. Even without Shaq, Kobe scored 29 points per game and had a triple double! You see with Shaq gone just like with Hill gone Kobe's stats went up. There wasn't a superstar to drag him down. And people say Kobe doesn't get doubled! Thats such baloney. Without Shaq he averaged about 29 points per game and he shot about 46 percent from the field. And in games Kobe usually goes on his bursts when Shaq is out of games. What does McGrady have against Kobe? He's not quicker when they played against each other Kobe blew past him at will. T-Mac can't dribble as well as Kobe either. T-Mac is a lazy defender, he could be a better defender but sometimes it doesn't seem he puts forth the effort. As even Ewing and Grant said. T-Mac isn't as good in clutch! Well lets face it he sucks in clutch. He's had a few better clutch games this year but not enough to change that he's not that good in crunch. I will say though that he's stronger and perhaps a better rebounder. I say perhaps because there are no rebounders on Orlando and the Lakers have Shaq. T-Mac is imo a better dunker as well. People say Kobe needs Shaq! Why what makes you think he can't do it on his own? He averages more points without Shaq. In fact Kobe could score over 30 a game if Shaq wasn't there. In the 2001 season Kobe was the top scorer in the leage at 30 ppg and you all know how that ended Kobe had to sacrafice his game as he still does for an out of shape Shaq. Vince Carter even ranked Kobe ahead of himself. So please give Kobe his dues, you don't have to say he's better than T-Mac even though i think he is. Just give him his dues. And acknowledge he's better as Vince even said than himself.

**BizzyRipsta** · 08-07-2002, 09:06 PM

batman, i don't want to burst your bubble, but you did mention that there isn't a person in the nba who isn't cocky or arrogant, and then you go off and only compare kobe to t-mac. there are plenty of guys in the nba who aren't on the same scale of arrogance as kobe (and if you want me to be fair, then t-mac either, if that really is the case), and that's one of the reasons why there are so many "haters".

by the way, i see that you're a new member here (am i correct?). welcome to the board! i hope you enjoy it here!

Batman17 · 08-07-2002, 09:17 PM

Quote deleted. No need to quote when you're posting right under the post you're quoting. Thanks - DP

Thanks for the welcome

This seems like a nice board I think I'll make it my haven for a a couple of days, but then I'll be gone for 3 weeks (traveling to Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, and maybe Eretrea) and then I'll be back

**BizzyRipsta** · 08-07-2002, 09:22 PM

you're welcome!

have fun on your trip!

beautifulkobe · 08-07-2002, 09:57 PM

This thread was going so well lets not start bashing kobe again.All nba players are arrogant.Kobe has a right to be as arrogant and cocky as he wants.What other 23 year old do you know who plays for a markee nba team, has 3 nba titles,a gorgeus wife,katrillions of dollars,endorsements for many products,an upcoming massive shoe contract with Nike etc..Wouldnt you be a little cocky if you had all this?

**BizzyRipsta** · 08-07-2002, 10:03 PM

no, i'm not bashing kobe. i'm only saying that if someone's going to say that all players in the nba are arrogant, then don't compare kobe to only one person who can also be considered as arrogant. on the flipside, look at jason kidd. he has a lot going for him, but he doesn't let his arrogance control him. you know what i mean?

beautifulkobe · 08-11-2002, 01:41 PM

If kobes arrogance controlled him he would be walking around saying he is the best player.Ive never heard him say something even remotely close to that.For what hes accomplished so far thats thanks to confidence not arrogance.

Ive never seen someone so confident like kobe.Ill say it again hes on a different level then other players especially when it comes to his attitude.

**BizzyRipsta** · 08-11-2002, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by beautifulkobe!
If kobes arrogance controlled him he would be walking around saying he is the best player.Ive never heard him say something even remotely close to that.For what hes accomplished so far thats thanks to confidence not arrogance.

Ive never seen someone so confident like kobe.Ill say it again hes on a different level then other players especially when it comes to his attitude.

no offense or anything, but of course a kobe fan will have a different opinion than a non-kobe fan. the same goes for any player and his fans. of course, you're not going to want to diss your favorite player, but am i required to have the same opinion as you, especially since i see things from a different set of eyes than you? and plus, i'm not alone on my opinion. most non-kobe fans agree that he is arrogant. if you feel that it's confidence, then fine. i will not try to change your mind, but don't try to change our minds either.

**CoolHandLuke** · 08-12-2002, 08:24 AM

Laker fans just don't understand why other people consider Kobe arrogant. It's the way he carries himself ON the court. T-Mac, sure, there are times I'd love to pop him in the jaw. Same with a lot of other players, but it has nothing to do with what they SAY to REPORTERS, it's about the way Kobe carries himself ON THE COURT.

beautifulkobe · 08-12-2002, 08:38 AM

Could you be more specific about "kobe carrying himself on the court"?

BizzyRista Im not trying to change your mind just giving my opinion like you are and defending kobe.

**CoolHandLuke** · 08-12-2002, 08:47 AM

What's the point? Not like you could be reasonable with my response anyway, but hey, here'goes...

Just watch him. The thing that bugs me the most is when he whines to the refs for not getting a call, when the Lakers are getting a lot of calls. As much as I absolutely hate Shaq, at least he knows when to keep his mouth shut because the calls are going his way. Kobe, on the other hand, can't handle not getting the star treatment, and complains whenever he doesn't. That demeanor on the court will really keep a lot of people from liking him...

**BizzyRipsta** · 08-12-2002, 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by beautifulkobe!
BizzyRista Im not trying to change your mind just giving my opinion like you are and defending kobe.

it's cool. i think that you and i have already settled that we have a difference of opinion and that no one is going to change. i'll leave this between you two now (unless i feel that i have something to add in).

DP · 08-12-2002, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by CoolHandLuke!
Just watch him. The thing that bugs me the most is when he whines to the refs for not getting a call, when the Lakers are getting a lot of calls. As much as I absolutely hate Shaq, at least he knows when to keep his mouth shut because the calls are going his way. Kobe, on the other hand, can't handle not getting the star treatment, and complains whenever he doesn't. That demeanor on the court will really keep a lot of people from liking him...

You just described any other NBA player. I have yet to see NBA player who doesn't whine when he thinks he didn't get the call he deserved. I don't know how many Laker games you watch but I tape the ones I didn't get to watch live and what I see is that Kobe *doesn't* get the star treatment and that's cool with me but I think it's the other way around. The guy gets killed driving in the lane and I see turn over awarded to the other team instead of a legitimate foul called on the defender.

What does "when the lakers are getting a lot of calls" have to do with Kobe ? A foul is a foul is a foul. Kobe has every right to complain if he thinks he is getting jobbed which he is on most nights. You accuse Kobefans of not being reasonable and I accuse you of being fan of opposing team whose heart was broken by Kobe many a times. Just as unreasonable in my book.

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