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02-26-2006, 09:15 PM
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Kobe, a Clutch Choker?!
I was checking out the ESPN boards and this guy makes a very interesting and valid statement w/ substantial evidence that Kobe has more clutch misses by a large margin than any other player in history. Man, these haters just go totally out of their way and exhaust so much time and energy to prove negative aspects in Kobe's career. I still think Kobe is one the most clutch players in NBA history b/c he and Jordan each have more game-winners than any other player ever. Not to mention the degree of difficulty of the shots he's made over again in his career to sink the hearts of opposing teams that must confront his fearlessness and confidence to take the big shots. The Lakers have lived and died by Kobe's doing ever since he entered the league b/c never has a franchise relied more on a sole player to take them out of such predicaments.
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02-26-2006, 09:22 PM
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Re: Kobe, a Clutch Choker?!
I think I remember reading somewhere that Jordan has missed more game winning shots than actually making them. The only difference is that the shots he missed weren't as big as the ones he made.
I'll have to dig that up...
In a way, it would kinda make sense that a player would miss more clutch shots then making them, no matter how clutch they are...
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02-26-2006, 09:24 PM
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Re: Kobe, a Clutch Choker?!
All this shows is how often players miss big shots. Some people have complained about KG missing shots this year, yet I think I've seen Kobe miss more big shots just by watching the highlights of some games than KG. Alot of people just don't realize how often big players miss big shots at big times.
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02-26-2006, 10:00 PM
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Re: Kobe, a Clutch Choker?!
Kobe is overrated in the "clutch" this season by his fans, still though hes the guy who i fear the most when having the ball in those clutch moments.
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02-26-2006, 10:06 PM
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Re: Kobe, a Clutch Choker?!
Say what you like, and I hate Kobe with a passion. But whenever the game is tied or the Lakers are down by one, I just mutter to myself "**** Kobe is going to win the damn game" There's no other player in the league that I do that for. However, I do agree that the Lakers have become INCREDIBLY predictable, and Kobe's willingness to take the last second shot no matter HOW low percentage it is hurts. But damnit when he's got the ball in his hands, I can barely force myself to watch...
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02-26-2006, 10:06 PM
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Re: Kobe, a Clutch Choker?!
If a decent player takes a lot of shots in critical moments, he will have a lot of makes and a lot of misses. You can't make them all, hence MJ's large amount of misses. His team wanted the ball in his hands at the end of the game. As a result they won a lot of those games, but lost some too. I think the same can be said for Kobe, especially this season. You want Odom, Cook, or Parker taking the last shot over Kobe?
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02-26-2006, 10:12 PM
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Re: Kobe, a Clutch Choker?!
I'm not going to bash kobe for this one. There were 1.7 seconds left on the clock so this does not really descend him to the level of the choker, unless you think he was stupid to foul Pierce in the final moments of the game.
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02-26-2006, 10:19 PM
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Re: Kobe, a Clutch Choker?!
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Originally Posted by neoxsupreme
I was checking out the ESPN boards and this guy makes a very interesting and valid statement w/ substantial evidence that Kobe has more clutch misses by a large margin than any other player in history. Man, these haters just go totally out of their way and exhaust so much time and energy to prove negative aspects in Kobe's career. I still think Kobe is one the most clutch players in NBA history b/c he and Jordan each have more game-winners than any other player ever. Not to mention the degree of difficulty of the shots he's made over again in his career to sink the hearts of opposing teams that must confront his fearlessness and confidence to take the big shots. The Lakers have lived and died by Kobe's doing ever since he entered the league b/c never has a franchise relied more on a sole player to take them out of such predicaments.
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like it or not, thet article does say something....
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02-26-2006, 10:21 PM
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Re: Kobe, a Clutch Choker?!
The only person I'd give it to over KB8 in the final seconds is McGrady.
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02-26-2006, 10:59 PM
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Re: Kobe, a Clutch Choker?!
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I'VE FAILED over and over again in my life. And that is why I SUCCEED." - Michael Jordan
And this was made while he was still playing so the numbers are actually higher......close thread
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02-26-2006, 11:05 PM
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Re: Kobe, a Clutch Choker?!
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Originally Posted by Chalie Boy
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I'VE FAILED over and over again in my life. And that is why I SUCCEED." - Michael Jordan
And this was made while he was still playing so the numbers are actually higher......close thread
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That commercial was in 1997. I doubt he missed 20+ more game winning shots to match Kobe's misses.
LOL @ that guy's research. And to think he still has several more years to research.
For the record, Kobe has officially hit 23 gamewinning shots.
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02-26-2006, 11:10 PM
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Re: Kobe, a Clutch Choker?!
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Say what you like, and I hate Kobe with a passion. But whenever the game is tied or the Lakers are down by one, I just mutter to myself "**** Kobe is going to win the damn game" There's no other player in the league that I do that for. However, I do agree that the Lakers have become INCREDIBLY predictable, and Kobe's willingness to take the last second shot no matter HOW low percentage it is hurts. But damnit when he's got the ball in his hands, I can barely force myself to watch...
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except for the hate part i agree with this post 100%... from how Kobe can kill any team at any moment to how the lakers have become predictable... tonight he really could have put it on the floor once or atleats grabbed it in motion... how did they give themselves a good chance to win by him standing with his back to the basket never moving and just catching and shooting? it was plain dumb...
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02-27-2006, 12:38 AM
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Re: Kobe, a Clutch Choker?!
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Originally Posted by S-Star
Say what you like, and I hate Kobe with a passion. But whenever the game is tied or the Lakers are down by one, I just mutter to myself "**** Kobe is going to win the damn game" There's no other player in the league that I do that for. However, I do agree that the Lakers have become INCREDIBLY predictable, and Kobe's willingness to take the last second shot no matter HOW low percentage it is hurts. But damnit when he's got the ball in his hands, I can barely force myself to watch...
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The same phrase goes through my mind as well: "****, Kobe is going to win the damn game."
No one else in the league. No one.
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02-27-2006, 12:41 AM
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Re: Kobe, a Clutch Choker?!
Agreed with S-Star, that's how I feel, too.
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