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if it wasnt for scottie pippen... people would be trying to make the argument as to why jordan was as good as kobe is now.

you cant compare anyone to jordan because none of these modern day stars have scottie pippen. I'm sorry but I dont think in a team game Kobe will ever have a decent shot a being compared to Michael. Scoring 100 in a game wont even do it.... unless kirk hinrich takes the mle and the wolves trade garnett. seriously... then theyd win 4 championships in a row... and kobe would be the best ever.

or suns coulda drafted pippen and then traded for barkley.... and then those two would have a load of rings.

seriously its not how great you are, but who you play with. Kobe's talent is up there with anyone

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come on mayne. in a league where bigs win championships, its fair to say MJ was in a whole nother league. players like hakeem wouldnt be as great if mj never retired. malone would have a ring. barkley would have one. so on and so on. id bet my life bigs like duncan and ben wallace and shaq would be not as great as they are now if they played in mjs era. kobe is lucky to be so young. put him in mjs era and he is a great player...but no legend.

imagine mj with a decent big, let alone shaq! seriously, taking away pippen isnt as big as taking away shaq. kobe will NEVER win a ring again...

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thats my point dude, pippen is the most underrated player of all time. this is what people dont get i'm not taking anything away from jordan... i'm just saying Pippen is way underrated.

all i am saying is we are judging how good of player everyone is without fully realizing that jordon would have never been imortalized without a deferring hall of famer by his side. The thing is you give all these other stars a chance to play with pippen where its kobe or barkley or whoever..... and then these stars would be glorified.

Now i'm not trying to say Kobe is better than Jordan... thats just not the point i'm trying to make, before anyone says that he has to win some championships without Shaq.

But Kobe will be a legend.... even if he never wins another ring. As for Shaq, I look at it backwards compared to a lot of people... because I remember how much talent hes had around him... and still not winning championships (before Wade and Bryant came along of course). The missed free throws and being out of shape that has plagued his career (that and I believe he also used roids) really means I probably shouldnt say much more than that.... besides then somebody would just tell me to get off chamberlains jock (best center of all time!)

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hahaha, pwned.

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Kobe 810 MJ 1 ??????????????

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That should be:

Kobe 810 MJ 2.... my vote should count too.

MJ was just as fast, strong and had as good of hops. He could shoot just as well, pass just as well, and drive just as well. He could play great defence, rebound, get out on the break. Dunk that ball... The man could do it all... So can Kobe... so why did I vote MJ?...

Cuz he wasn't a *****... He didn't ask for his 3 time NBA Championship coach and his HOF partner in crime to be removed from HIS team. There is a good chance that Kobe could still be winning rings right now had he learned to get along with Shaq. You can say ya, the only reason MJ is considered better then Kobe is because of the great player he played with... but... Kobe played with Shaq. Got three rings... MJ got six... your poll is a joke.

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1. And who says MJ was never a *****?

2. This is clearly speculation and should not be included in your argument.

3. Very true. Same for Shaq of course(Even though he did win one in Miami): remember that there is no prove right now that the fued in L.A was a onesided affair.

4. I don't think anybody has left out the Shaq factor. Kobe has been compared to MJ for years. The member who made this thread brought it up because he felt that Kobe 05-06 performance warrant anothing look at the comparison.

5. this is really the only argument right now that anybody can present: Their is a hand full of accomplishments that Jordan has done that either Kobe has not done or has not done enough (5 time League MVP, 6 Time Chamionship, 6 Time Finals MVP, I believe about 7 scoring league, Second Alltime Leading Points ect.) And it is reasonable to say that Kobe may never accomplish as much as Jordan did in stats....and for the League in general.

6. True and it would have been best if the adgenda of this thread was not a joke; then we can have a better discussion about the comparison.


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Nah, keep it stickied. Classic.

ColinBeehler

I geuss 1 and 2 should be the same point in my opinion. Actually, by his words etc. he really was a dick as I have heard. I mean, most superduperstars are, it's a winning trait. You can't be afraid to step on toes. Word has it he hated Toni Kukoc. As for the speculation. Yes, I suppose you are right... I did read Phil Jackson's book, and according to him, Kobe, Jerry I believe, and Phil were present in the meeting that Phil was fired in. Sure, could be a lie, could just be in the book to add to the story line. But I choose to believe it.

3. You're definately right. No feud can really be onesided. Shaq and Kobe obviously didn't like each other, but the greatest player ever to play the game of basketball, should be able to control the feud and win three more championships.... Actually... Four.

6. Whoops... didn't realize it was a joke thread. I looked at the votes display last, and that is what prompted me to post.

Really, I just don't like Kobe. In a SLAM article back after the Lakers first or second championship. Kobe made the point that the Raptor's could be in the Eastern Conference finals at the time had Tracy McGrady not been selfish and taken his place as the second star of the Raptors. Then he pulls the exact same **** like three years later. I mean he may not have been the cause of all the feuding between them, but in the end. For some reason. The Laker's were forced to choose between Kobe and Shaq. Obviously they made the right decision. But, what if they never had to make that decision at all?

Thank you.

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PauloCatarino

No, it's not fair. In fact, it's crazy.

Jordan never played Hakeem in the playoffs.

Hmmm... I wonder if Jordan would have any ring had he played in Bird's and Magic's era... Oh, Oops! He did!

Imagine Kobe playing with a All-Time top-20 talent. And arguably the best defender and rebounder the games has ever seen...

Why?

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