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not to jump to darrizle's defence or being his pup or whatever, you can dig that up on anybody, many said bill russell was the greatest defender of all time, yet he was also manhandled by wilt chamberlain, as far as i know? and Jordan has possibly too been taken to school by somebody during his career? you simply can't dig up one statline and hold it against somebody

ToTheRack

My memory is fuzzy, who won that series again?

CDRacingZX6R

All I know is what Fisher is doing right now is good.. He's taking care of business far better than any other options we had at the time. He's also playing some of the best defense of his career right now.

As for waiting to see how he does against Parker or Paul? Reality check, no one guards those two guys well normally. Thats why they are All star caliber players. There is no PG in the game that could stop CP the way he's playing right now. Yes Kenneth, not even Javaris could defend Parker or CP on his best day in a seven game series..

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KennethTo

The point is that Fisher can't guard any PG with a resemblance of quickness and penetrates often. Getting destroy by Wilt is one thing, getting destroyed Troy Hudson is another. It's like being a center and having Mark Madsen averaging 30 point and 12 rebounds on you throughout a playoff series.

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yeah fisher is the only player to blame for hudson's performance in the playoff huh? hater gtfo

wtf is with the mark madsen comparison? hudson is a offensive minded player, he has the ability to put up those numbers especially when you got a one of the worse pick & roll defender as your center. horrible comparison, complete failure.

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At the time it realistically was the best thing out there for PG for the Lakersand maybe to any teams standards.If you want to say you are sold on Fisher vs. other upper level PG in the NBA thats fine. I would say he is maybe just average if you take all PG out of their teams and just did it by abilities/ clock times from point A to point B, etc.. Him on the Lakers adds more than him going to any other team. You might not see it in a box score every night but you will see it over the long haul. He is the rock on that team. He knows what Phil Jackson wants maybe more than any active player in the NBA. You dont become president of the players association without being respected and having quality people/communication skills. He helps promote the right mindset among the team. Fisher might not always make the play but it will never be for lack of effort or having a brainfart.

In regards to guarding CP3 or Parker if we make it that far...its a team game, denying people to a certain spot, the Lakers arent going to just have Fish sit out on an island out there with CP3 and tell him good luck.

Just for your information about contracts in the NBA:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#19 (This website goes over EVERYTHING)
This is from that site and explains the MLE.

MID-LEVEL SALARY EXCEPTION -- This exception allows a team to sign any free agent to a contract equal to the average salary, even if they are over the cap (see question number 24 for the definition of "average salary." Also note that for 2005-06 they used a defined figure of $5 million). This exception may be split and given to multiple players. It may be used for contracts of up to five years in length, and raises are limited to 8% of the salary in the first year of the contract. Signing a player to a multi-year contract does not affect a team's ability to use this exception every year. For example, a team can sign a player to a five-year contract using this exception and still use the exception the following year to sign another player. Also see question number 20 for more information on the availability and use of this exception.

If the player is a restricted free agent with one or two years of service and receives an offer sheet from a new team, the player's prior team may use the Mid-Level exception to match the offer sheet (see question number 36 for restricted free agency).

Here are the actual values of this exception for each season. Note that since this exception is based on the average player salary, the actual value of this exception is not determined until the start of the free agent signing period.

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DaRizzle

Oh and KennethTo, sorry had to run errands, I could help prove you wrong but it looks like everyone else has done a bang up job

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Sean

That was what I wrote 10 months ago. I'll admit that I have been pleasantly surprised by Fisher's steady play over the last 10 games. He has been instrumental in the winning streak.

What none of us knew at the time of this thread originally was that Drew was going to be a great defender, Turiaf was going to be a threat in the middle and Pau would be sportin' purple and gold.

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Wilt_The_Stilt

First off, Fisher is still a poor defender. Deron was getting into the lane at will...I know that Farmar wasn't doing any better, but that doesn't have anything to do with Fisher.

And if Shaq was to blame for Hudson's production, why didn't Hudson go off in the prior year's playoffs when he was going up against Elden Campbell on the pick and roll? Was Elden that much better than Shaq?

But I have to admit that Fisher has shot the ball much better than I thought he would, and his play thus far in the playoffs has been excellent. That said, I think it is kind of silly to bump this when Fisher is playing the best ball of the season, and his contract is not yet over. We did sign him to a multi-year deal, not a 1 year deal.

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DaRizzle

You can blame the bumpage on Aznzen..but it is sort of interesting to read everyones perspective from the beginning of the season

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KennethTo

Troy Hudson averaged 7.5 points and 2.4 assists in the regular season, he averaged 23.5 points and 5.5 assists against Fisher. Hudson isn't an elite point guard, he's just a PG that penetrates, which seems to be your excuse for Fisher playing horrible defense now (and if we do make it to the next round, the horrible defense that he will play against the spurs or the hornets).

I could care less how respected he is, what I care about is seeing the Lakers win the title, I didn't become a fan of the Lakers because of their community service. In that regard, he still is a large concern, considering his age as well.

You are right though in that there are some things Fisher does that doesn't show up on the stat sheet. Like the fact that he requires more help defense because any PG can just waltz right by him into the lane (making it easier for the opposing team to score even if the PG he guards doesn't get an assist for it).

He is still a huge defensive liability unless you are going against a below average PG like Anthony Carter that rarely penetrates and can't score well in any manner.

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afobisme

i see you're still defending your "i hope he gets his legs run over by a car" stance. and somehow you're using your troy hudson facts.

you can come up with as many bs facts as you'd like, but you know he's playing good defense on deron - better than most PGs in the game. you say he can't defend any PG who is fast... well, let me tell you something: deron williams is fast.

all this fisher hate... are you actually a jazz fan? here, go click on this http://www.basketballforum.com/utah-jazz/

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