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10-12-2007, 04:35 PM
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Re: Shaq shocked Lakers would even consider trading Kobe
Man we gotta get over the Shaq thing. It happened essentially because Buss wanted him gone and now wants Kob gone because he embarrased his son and Mitch.
Shaq called out Buss and it was a wrap Kobe does the same and its a wrap.
No other speculation really matters.
Buss wasn't gonna pay Shaq he lied to him about that, and now he lied to Kobe about building a winner around him when he knew all along that he wanted to go cheap keep payroll down and use Kobe for a circus act.
He tricked Kobe when he hired PJ but Kobe see's through that now.
So I expect Kobe to be traded in the next 2 weeks or sooner.
we traded away 2 of the greatest ever for spare parts.We are gonna be like the Celtics for 20 years maybe longer.
We may never be a title contender again.
There are teams who because of bad management never have won a title. Its not our birthrigh here.
I hate what Buss has done to this once proud franchise.
Gonna be a damn shame that because of how things ended new ownership may have to retire Shaq's and Kobe's number way past their playing days until the Buss's leave.
Because I believe both men will hold grudges for a very long time.
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10-12-2007, 05:19 PM
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Re: Shaq shocked Lakers would even consider trading Kobe
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Originally Posted by jazzy1
We may never be a title contender again.
There are teams who because of bad management never have won a title. Its not our birthrigh here.
I hate what Buss has done to this once proud franchise.
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Saying that the Lakers might never again contend for a title is a bit dramatic, but I completely agree with you that Lakers fans are spoiled in every way because of all the great teams we have been fortunate enough to have had throughout the years. Jerry Buss is pretty much the same guy he always was, the only difference is that now he doesn't have Jerry West to make things run smoothly and the entire ship is taking on water. He's always been concerned with one thing: money. Just like any other professional sports owner. If the product is yielding a profit, the owner is content. Right now Buss is still seeing the money roll in due to the team's loyal fanbase that continue to buy tickets and merchandise at an alarming rate. It won't be until there is no more Kobe Bryant, Phil Jackson, or jam-packed luxury boxes that he will finally be forced to improve things. I would almost be content to see Kobe go just to watch it all blow up in this idiot's face. I never thought I would say this, but I would rather have Donald Sterling as the owner of the Lakers right now. The horror!! 
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10-12-2007, 05:28 PM
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Re: Shaq shocked Lakers would even consider trading Kobe
Id go with Steinbrenner.
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10-12-2007, 06:14 PM
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Re: Shaq shocked Lakers would even consider trading Kobe
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Originally Posted by jazzy1
Man we gotta get over the Shaq thing. It happened essentially because Buss wanted him gone and now wants Kob gone because he embarrased his son and Mitch.
Shaq called out Buss and it was a wrap Kobe does the same and its a wrap.
No other speculation really matters.
Buss wasn't gonna pay Shaq he lied to him about that, and now he lied to Kobe about building a winner around him when he knew all along that he wanted to go cheap keep payroll down and use Kobe for a circus act.
He tricked Kobe when he hired PJ but Kobe see's through that now.
So I expect Kobe to be traded in the next 2 weeks or sooner.
we traded away 2 of the greatest ever for spare parts.We are gonna be like the Celtics for 20 years maybe longer.
We may never be a title contender again.
There are teams who because of bad management never have won a title. Its not our birthrigh here.
I hate what Buss has done to this once proud franchise.
Gonna be a damn shame that because of how things ended new ownership may have to retire Shaq's and Kobe's number way past their playing days until the Buss's leave.
Because I believe both men will hold grudges for a very long time.
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I just get sick of Kobe fans not holding him accountable and putting everything on someone else.
First it was Shaq's fault, then Phil's fault, then Malone's fault, then Chucky Atkins' fault, then Mitch's fault... now Buss is the scumbag.
Kobe is a former spoiled child that grew into a demanding little ***** that is hard to get along with.
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10-12-2007, 07:34 PM
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Re: Shaq shocked Lakers would even consider trading Kobe
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Originally Posted by Jamel Irief
I just get sick of Kobe fans not holding him accountable and putting everything on someone else.
First it was Shaq's fault, then Phil's fault, then Malone's fault, then Chucky Atkins' fault, then Mitch's fault... now Buss is the scumbag.
Kobe is a former spoiled child that grew into a demanding little ***** that is hard to get along with.
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Pretty much, I agree with this assessment. Personally, I found both of them to be morons for not being able to get along in the first place. Shaq was lucky enough to have Dwyane Wade when he landed in Miami, but Kobe has been left with a bare cupboard, which of course he brought on himself. Now his frustration is showing and things are starting to tear apart in Laker land. But, while I in no way whatsoever support or condone Kobe's recent behavior, it's hard to be thrilled about the idea of shipping him off for an assortment of spare parts and draft picks.
I hold no ill will towards Shaq, that's nothing more than a chapter in the history books now. What I'm really concerned with is our apparently brain-dead owner who is stirring things up yet again for no good reason. If Kobe gets moved, so be it. We as fans have absolutely zero control in the matter, but if it does go down as badly as it seems it might there will definitely be a line drawn in the sand. On the bright side, there will be no more Shaq/Kobe controversy for Lakers fans to banter about, instead it will likely be a debate about whom to choose with the #3 pick in next year's draft.
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REMEMBERING #44: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Gathers
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10-12-2007, 09:06 PM
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Re: Shaq shocked Lakers would even consider trading Kobe
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Originally Posted by jazzy1
Man we gotta get over the Shaq thing. It happened essentially because Buss wanted him gone and now wants Kob gone because he embarrased his son and Mitch.
Shaq called out Buss and it was a wrap Kobe does the same and its a wrap.
No other speculation really matters.
Buss wasn't gonna pay Shaq he lied to him about that, and now he lied to Kobe about building a winner around him when he knew all along that he wanted to go cheap keep payroll down and use Kobe for a circus act.
He tricked Kobe when he hired PJ but Kobe see's through that now.
So I expect Kobe to be traded in the next 2 weeks or sooner.
we traded away 2 of the greatest ever for spare parts.We are gonna be like the Celtics for 20 years maybe longer.
We may never be a title contender again.
There are teams who because of bad management never have won a title. Its not our birthrigh here.
I hate what Buss has done to this once proud franchise.
Gonna be a damn shame that because of how things ended new ownership may have to retire Shaq's and Kobe's number way past their playing days until the Buss's leave.
Because I believe both men will hold grudges for a very long time.
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this is some scary ****
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10-12-2007, 09:57 PM
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Re: Shaq shocked Lakers would even consider trading Kobe
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Originally Posted by jazzy1
Man we gotta get over the Shaq thing. It happened essentially because Buss wanted him gone and now wants Kob gone because he embarrased his son and Mitch.
Shaq called out Buss and it was a wrap Kobe does the same and its a wrap.
No other speculation really matters.
Buss wasn't gonna pay Shaq he lied to him about that, and now he lied to Kobe about building a winner around him when he knew all along that he wanted to go cheap keep payroll down and use Kobe for a circus act.
He tricked Kobe when he hired PJ but Kobe see's through that now.
So I expect Kobe to be traded in the next 2 weeks or sooner.
we traded away 2 of the greatest ever for spare parts.We are gonna be like the Celtics for 20 years maybe longer.
We may never be a title contender again.
There are teams who because of bad management never have won a title. Its not our birthrigh here.
I hate what Buss has done to this once proud franchise.
Gonna be a damn shame that because of how things ended new ownership may have to retire Shaq's and Kobe's number way past their playing days until the Buss's leave.
Because I believe both men will hold grudges for a very long time.
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10-13-2007, 12:45 AM
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Re: Shaq shocked Lakers would even consider trading Kobe
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Originally Posted by DaRizzle
Uh...does everyone already forget Dr. Buss has givin LA 8 championships?!? While it would suck if he lied to Kobe I think he deserves a get out of jail free card. He has only made us the most dominant basketball team in over the last 25 years! All you kids that started following the Lakers during the three-peat need to calm down and be thankful!!!
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Be thankful for what? Jerry Buss didn't give the us anything. Jerry West did( big difference). Jerry Buss, the Hollywood producer was not the one scouting the likes of Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant, West was. While Jerry Buss was getting blowjobs in the owner's box West was down the hall quietly at work building the next dynasty. And I highly doubt band wagon jumpers would busy themselves on Lakers blogs 24/7.
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10-13-2007, 12:47 AM
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Re: Shaq shocked Lakers would even consider trading Kobe
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Originally Posted by Jamel Irief
I just get sick of Kobe fans not holding him accountable and putting everything on someone else.
First it was Shaq's fault, then Phil's fault, then Malone's fault, then Chucky Atkins' fault, then Mitch's fault... now Buss is the scumbag.
Kobe is a former spoiled child that grew into a demanding little ***** that is hard to get along with.
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Yes and your so mature by putting it all on Kobe's shoulders. 
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10-13-2007, 04:44 AM
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Re: Shaq shocked Lakers would even consider trading Kobe
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Be thankful for what? Jerry Buss didn't give the us anything. Jerry West did( big difference). Jerry Buss, the Hollywood producer was not the one scouting the likes of Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant, West was. While Jerry Buss was getting blowjobs in the owner's box West was down the hall quietly at work building the next dynasty. And I highly doubt band wagon jumpers would busy themselves on Lakers blogs 24/7.
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Actually, West wasn't the GM when Magic was drafted. Neither was Buss the owner.
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10-13-2007, 05:28 PM
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Re: Shaq shocked Lakers would even consider trading Kobe
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Originally Posted by koberules24
Be thankful for what? Jerry Buss didn't give the us anything. Jerry West did( big difference). Jerry Buss, the Hollywood producer was not the one scouting the likes of Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant, West was. While Jerry Buss was getting blowjobs in the owner's box West was down the hall quietly at work building the next dynasty. And I highly doubt band wagon jumpers would busy themselves on Lakers blogs 24/7.
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Lets see...Dr. Buss was willing to have the balls to pay a 7 year/123mil contract(Shaq), the biggest contract in the NBA at the time. He was willing to go along with the risk of getting a 17 year old. See, Jerry West did all the scouting for players because THAT WAS HIS JOB! He was HIRED by Dr. Buss to do that, just wanna make sure you realize that. Dr. Buss had the same effect as Tiger Woods to golf. Because his product was(and is) so great it made people care and in turn everyone in the NBA gets bigger paydays. Go Lakers! Screw Kobe! I hope he does good for the LAKERS and helps the LAKERS win a championship! I am a Lakers fan first. Players will come and go, the Lakers will be constant as long as the NBA exsists.
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10-13-2007, 06:54 PM
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Re: Shaq shocked Lakers would even consider trading Kobe
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Lets see...Dr. Buss was willing to have the balls to pay a 7 year/123mil contract(Shaq), the biggest contract in the NBA at the time. He was willing to go along with the risk of getting a 17 year old. See, Jerry West did all the scouting for players because THAT WAS HIS JOB! He was HIRED by Dr. Buss to do that, just wanna make sure you realize that. Dr. Buss had the same effect as Tiger Woods to golf. Because his product was(and is) so great it made people care and in turn everyone in the NBA gets bigger paydays. Go Lakers! Screw Kobe! I hope he does good for the LAKERS and helps the LAKERS win a championship! I am a Lakers fan first. Players will come and go, the Lakers will be constant as long as the NBA exsists.
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I can't, for the life of me, understand how some so-called Laker fans are putting up an issy-fit (sp?) because Buss said Kobe wasn't untradable.
WTF?
Kobe Bryant is what he is: the most gifted basketball player on the planet. But LA is NOT the franchise to strong-hold. If Kobe wants to leave, fine. If Kobe wants to stay, fine. But yeah, he is TRADEABLE. He was asking for it in June, for Christ's sake.
I know many around here are too young to recolect, but Kobe is no Magic Johnson. Kobe is no Kareem Abdull-Jabbar. Kobe is no Shaquille O'Neal. Kobe is no Jerry West.
This franchise will move on with or without Kobe Bryant.
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