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**CDRacingZX6R** · 10-14-2007, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamel Irief

Most of this would of been valid if I didn't develop the "screw Kobe" mentality until he lied and said all he cares about is winning and wants to be dealt.

Would I of loved Shaq if he became horrible? As long as he wasn't having good players kicked off the roster, then yes.

Honestly, Kobe, Shaq, And Jerry Buss all said Kobe had nothing to do with Shaq leaving the roster. But you can continue believing otherwise if it supports your arguments.

This entire thread you contradicted yourself a bunch of times. Thats the beauty of being a sports fan, and a fan boy of something. As long as you believe it in your own mind, your never wrong.

Don't take this the wrong way, because I actually agree with many of your posts. Just not these ones.

shobe42 · 10-14-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CDRacingZX6R

I will say it's fun watching Shaq and Kobe fan boys go at it. I've never hid the fact that I'm a fan of Kobe's on court game and talents. But people who trash Kobe then defend Shaq are just as bad. Both of the players were spoiled brats, that thought they were bigger than the Laker's organization itself. Both of them had there flaws. Shaq was lazy, didn't want to earn the 30 million, etc. And Kobe who brings court drama into the NBA, and is so anti-social and egotistical he never takes blame for anything upon himself.

I'm happy that fat turd is gone. He is NOT the beast he was when he single handled brought the Lakers to glory. And at this point I wouldn't mind seeing Kobe get sent out either. I'd love to just enjoy watching the Laker's basketball without all the drama that guys like Kobe and Shaq bring. Between "Give my my money" and "I want to be traded because I cant win without another all-star", boohoo. Both cry baby's don't deserve to wear a Lakers uniform.

I wanted to rep you because I agree both players are to blame...
Shaq and Kobe both didn't want to play with each other, Kobe was gonna be a FA and Lakers secured him by giving all their attention to him...

but I kinda dont really agree with anything else you said...

The drama is what it is... this is Los Angeles and any news will be blown up to a dramatic episode, covered coast to coast, and never let go... that's part of dealing with being in LA... it's like being a Yankee...

**Jamel Irief** · 10-15-2007, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CDRacingZX6R

Honestly, Kobe, Shaq, And Jerry Buss all said Kobe had nothing to do with Shaq leaving the roster. But you can continue believing otherwise if it supports your arguments.

This entire thread you contradicted yourself a bunch of times. Thats the beauty of being a sports fan, and a fan boy of something. As long as you believe it in your own mind, your never wrong.

Don't take this the wrong way, because I actually agree with many of your posts. Just not these ones.

Buss is the most responsible for Shaq being a Heatian. I said that back then and still believe it today. I don't blame Mitch at all, as he was just a pawn for Buss.

Kobe's main fault was that he did nothing to prevent it when "all he cares about is winning."

**EHL** · 10-15-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CDRacingZX6R

Truth is, you love Shaq. Nothing wrong with that. You can't stand Kobe. And winning has nothing to do with it. When you admit your bias you will probably feel better.

Pretty much the bottom-line for most Kobe haters. I mean, who doesn't know that Shaq got NVE or EJ kicked off the team, or that Shaq wanted Kobe traded too? Yet Kobe is faulted for wanting players traded and for possibly wanting Shaq off the team too? Just hilarious in its contradiction.

**Jamel Irief** · 10-15-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EHL

Pretty much the bottom-line for most Kobe haters. I mean, who doesn't know that Shaq got NVE or EJ kicked off the team, or that Shaq wanted Kobe traded too? Yet Kobe is faulted for wanting players traded and for possibly wanting Shaq off the team too? Just hilarious in its contradiction.

NVE maybe, but that was more Del Harris. NVE is my favorite Laker of all time and if I hate Harris with a passion to this day because of that. The only Lakers I have hated more than Harris were Malone and Greg Foster. EJ, hell no. Shaq kept saying he wanted a thug at PF and EJ was the main trade bait at the time. That's the only way I see you blaming him.

KennethTo · 10-16-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamel Irief

Then you should love Shaq. He was more responsible for the rings than Kobe and the Lakers would be a lot better team today if they never traded him.

This is why I love Shaq, I was thirsty for a ring and he almost singlehandedly delivered the first one in the most dominating season I ever witnessed from a player. I will always be loyal because of that. And that means when FA primmadonnas say they don't want to be sidekicks it sours my feelings towards them. I get flat out pissed when they turn around and lie saying they want to win at all costs 3 years later.

Hey, but if Kobe puts the Lakers on his back this year and delivers a season like Shaq in 2000 I will forgive Kobe and tell Buss to do whatever he wants.

Again the "I like players that help us win" argument goes out the window when you hate Shaq. We aren't doing jack with Odom and Brown.

BTW you misinterpurted my post. All those people I listed having publically complained about Kobe, except for Mitch. That was my point.

I don't see anyone complaining about Odom, Malone, Fisher, etc.... Kobe doesn't get along with people, period.

My argument does not go out the window because "I like players that help us win." Shaq was a winner, but after the toe surgery incident he became a loser. What are you going to do with an overweight center with foot problems that makes no effort in staying in shape? Especially if he eats up $30 million in cap space. You are implying that keeping Shaq would have increased our chances of winning, which is true for winning more regular season games BUT NOT FOR THE TITLE.

When I say I want players that increases our chances of winning, I AM referring to a title, I'm not a clipper fan, winning 10 more games in the regular season means nothing to me if there isn't a title, I'd be just as dissatisfied. Shaq with his attitude at that age wasn't going to do that. Signing him on for a larger extension given that he was completely out of shape would have completely eliminated any chance of winning a title for the duration of any time he was on the Lakers. The lakers didn't make a mistake in trading Shaq, they made a mistake in not trading him earlier when he still had more value.

**The One** · 10-16-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaRizzle

Yes..I AM A LAKER FAN. Not a Kobe fan. YOU ARE A KOBE FAN. . .

This is where it get's stupid. Who is to say that's it's better to be a team fan then a player fan? It's seems like when somebody throws out "I'm a TEAM fan" it gives them some since of higher loyalty or some bull****.

NOTE. None of you guys (including me) are TRUE LAKER FANATICS anyway because true fanatics will love everything lakers(all players and organization) and care less about any other team including their players.

elcap15 · 10-16-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The One

This is where it get's stupid. Who is to say that's it's better to be a team fan then a player fan? It's seems like when somebody throws out "I'm a TEAM fan" it gives them some since of higher loyalty or some bull****.
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I dont think anyone is saying its better to be a fan of the team or the player.

But if you are a fan of a team, that does denote a higher sense of loyalty. . . to that team anyway. For example, in this situation, if you are a Kobe fan, then if he gets traded, you will root for whatever team he plays on to win. If you are a Laker fan, when Kobe gets traded you will still say **** the (his new team name here) and root exclusively for the Lakers.

I am a fan of Kobe's, but I am a Laker fan first and foremost. If Kobe gets traded I will still love the lakers and hate whatever team he is on, even if I do say to myself, "damn that guy can ball."

The fact is The Lakers were good before Kobe, they have been good with Kobe, and they will be good after Kobe is gone. Laker Love!

**The One** · 10-16-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elcap15

The fact is The Lakers were good before Kobe, they have been good with Kobe, and they will be good after Kobe is gone. Laker Love!

I can live with that

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