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Old 02-15-2008, 11:33 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: Kobe's pinkie requires surgery; Would be out 6 weeks?

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Read my last sentence.
I read the last sentence.


And suggesting or implying that Kobe should prep for the olympics instead over the team that matters the most is insane. His injury is not even that big to begin with, he's played in worst condition.


Kobe would not choose a gold medal over a championship ring, given the circumstances. After his offseason tirade, its pretty clear he wants to win now.
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Old 02-15-2008, 11:42 AM   #32 (permalink)
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those teams made those trades knowing that kobe's finger wasn't banged up.

the overestimating part is where we can get to the finals with our guys at 85%. it's simply too tough out in the west.

if kobe's ineffective, we really have no wing play who can start the offense. we'd really have to become a good defensive team.
I think we can get to the finals with KOBE at 85%. Hes proven that he can be effective at 85% over the last couple of games. Now if Bynum doesnt come back at full strength and more injuries take there toll on this team then that changes the whole thing. If the rest of the guys on the squad are at 100% and Kobe is at 85% i still think we can make a deep run and if the Cavs from last year have taught us anything, its that with a little luck, you can find yourself in the finals. The rest of the guys are gonna have to step up to make up for whatever Kobe cant do ( and judging by Kobe's play the last few games, isnt gonna be much) but i think we have the talent and the depth to do that this year when we are healthy.
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cavs were in the east, lakers are in the west. you can't count on too much luck out here.

i don't know if kobe's finger brings him down to 85% too. realistically it might make him nearly useless with shooting.. and that's not near 100%.

our title chances have been hurt this year, but that's okay to me. we'll have a good 4 or 5 seasons if things work out well.
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cavs were in the east, lakers are in the west. you can't count on too much luck out here.

i don't know if kobe's finger brings him down to 85% too. realistically it might make him nearly useless with shooting.. and that's not near 100%.

our title chances have been hurt this year, but that's okay to me. we'll have a good 4 or 5 seasons if things work out well.
it SHOULD make him useless shooting, but will it?? Hes been averaging something like 30ppg on 48% shooting since he hurt the hand.
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Re: Kobe's pinkie requires surgery; Would be out 6 weeks?

he tore his ligament against minnesota, which was the last game.

he had an x-ray after the nets game, and it wasn't anything serious. so don't take into account those games where he averaged a lot of points.

and if you want to play numbers, here is what he has averaged since the nets game (including that nets game):

24.3 PPG (146 points total)
42% (44/105)

so that 48% shooting and close to 30 ppg is a made up number... and that's only if you disregard that he had his ligament torn against minnesota.

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he tore his ligament against minnesota, which was the last game.

he had an x-ray after the nets game, and it wasn't anything serious. so don't take into account those games where he averaged a lot of points.


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The damage occurred when Bryant dislocated the finger at New Jersey on Feb. 5, and was aggravated in Wednesday night's game at Minnesota.

The team said Thursday that the damage was more extensive than first believed. There is a complete tear of the radial collateral ligament and avulsion fracture, in which a small bone fragment had been pulled off by a tendon.
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Re: Kobe's pinkie requires surgery; Would be out 6 weeks?

exactly, he dislocated his finger against the nets, and then tore the ligament against minnesota.

this is the report from espn before we played minny

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Kobe Bryant, SG, Lakers: Don't worry, the finger isn't going to cost him any time. Kobe dislocated the pinkie on his right (shooting) hand Monday in the first quarter against the Nets. His shooting has been awful since then. He has shot a combined 7-of-29 in his past two games. The Los Angeles Times reported that X-rays came back negative. The paper also said, to no great surprise, that Kobe is struggling with having just three flexible fingers as his pinkie is being taped to his ring finger.
there's probably a big difference between a dislocation and a torn ligament.

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Re: Kobe's pinkie requires surgery; Would be out 6 weeks?

I interpreted that statment as saying the damage was done during the Nets game and they found out the damage was more extensive during the Minne game. and the LA Times put it this way...

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Bryant initially hurt his finger Feb. 5 in a game against New Jersey. The injury was originally listed as a dislocated pinkie, although further damage was revealed Thursday, including a complete tear of the radial collateral ligament and an avulsion fracture, in which a small fragment of bone was pulled off by a tendon
but were not gonna be able to figure out how serious is it until he gets back.
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he tore his ligament against minnesota, which was the last game.

he had an x-ray after the nets game, and it wasn't anything serious. so don't take into account those games where he averaged a lot of points.

and if you want to play numbers, here is what he has averaged since the nets game (including that nets game):

24.3 PPG (146 points total)
42% (44/105)

so that 48% shooting and close to 30 ppg is a made up number... and that's only if you disregard that he had his ligament torn against minnesota.
No they DISCOVERED the ligament damage against Minnesota. An X ray wont show ligament damage. You have to get an MRI to find that. And you have to keep in mind that he had that horrible game against Atlanta where the bad tape job came into play.
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Re: Kobe's pinkie requires surgery; Would be out 6 weeks?

well, at the very least then, kobe ripped off some of the bone on his pinky finger in the game against minnesota, because the x-rays were negative from new jersey. if it was that severe against minny, im thinking he probably tore his ligament against them too.

the way i look at it is.. kobe injured his pinky vs. the nets. and then against the wolves he really f'd it up.

but yeah, i agree with you. only time will tell. we'll have to see how well kobe shoots on tuesday.

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well, at the very least then, kobe ripped off some of the bone on his pinky finger in the game against minnesota, because the x-rays were negative from new jersey. if it was that severe against minny, im thinking he probably tore his ligament against them too.

the way i look at it is.. kobe injured his pinky vs. the nets. and then against the wolves he really f'd it up.
Were not gonna be able to see how severe it is until he gets back. SO right now everything is up in the air. IMO they already knew how bad it was before the minne game and they are just releasing the extent of the damage now to get him out of the Allstar Game. They never said that he took an MRI and to my knowledge, you need and MRI to reveal ligament and tendon damage... Im thinking conspiracy!
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Re: Kobe's pinkie requires surgery; Would be out 6 weeks?

Kobe on ESPN right now. Seems to be in good spirits. Says hes been playing through the injury the last few games and theyve been able to keep a handle on it so hes confident that they can keep it up. Knows that with Bynum out and Pau still getting acclimated that they need him on the court to be successful. Remarked on the strength of the western conference. and joked about how when hes retired and its all said and done, he'll be able to be the "cool grandpa" that can bend his finger all the way down the side of his hand. He didnt really seem too worried about it.
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i thought he had the MRI yesterday in LA? that's when the info was revealed (last night)
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