nobody needs to keep anybody in check........when you win everybody gets along.
Very true. I dont see them winning 70 games either, but I do see them competing to secure home court. I think if they get home court sewn up earlier i can see them resting kobe more, allowing others to get valuable playing time late in the season, namely shannon brown and sasha vujacic. who knows we may even see more of adam morrison. home court in the playoffs is a must, though they'll be competing with boston and cleveland primarily.
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Knicks fans, can you imagine what Jennings is going to do to you? He’s gonna be slicing through that defense like V for Vendetta. Then, after the game, he’s gonna slice through security and find Donnie Walsh and stab him in the damn heart.
I guess Kobe feels like averaging 30 again. At this point, he’s like Keanu at the end of the first Matrix. He became who he was supposed to be and now he’s just gonna do whatever he wants.
Orlando is third in the East. Vince Carter was the definition of a panic move by them. As long as they have Rashard Lewis attempting to play power forward, they won't go anywhere. If they were to ship Lewis' awful contract for Elton Brand's awful contract, then I give them a chance.
Not to be a homer, but the Celtics have the best all-around starting five in the league, and are taking major strides towards shoring up the bench, with the Sheed signing, and there are a couple of guys that could very well be enticed into coming to Boston for the veteran's minimum for a shot at a ring. Cleveland just got Shaq. A huge move, even if this isn't 2002 Shaq we're talking about. LeBron's best big man teammate previous to this was Zydrunas ****ing Ilgauskas, who is a horrible defender and provided no post offense, just mid range and free throw shooting, with the occasional blocked shot.
Orlando is third in the East. Vince Carter was the definition of a panic move by them. As long as they have Rashard Lewis attempting to play power forward, they won't go anywhere. If they were to ship Lewis' awful contract for Elton Brand's awful contract, then I give them a chance.
Not to be a homer, but the Celtics have the best all-around starting five in the league, and are taking major strides towards shoring up the bench, with the Sheed signing, and there are a couple of guys that could very well be enticed into coming to Boston for the veteran's minimum for a shot at a ring. Cleveland just got Shaq. A huge move, even if this isn't 2002 Shaq we're talking about. LeBron's best big man teammate previous to this was Zydrunas ****ing Ilgauskas, who is a horrible defender and provided no post offense, just mid range and free throw shooting, with the occasional blocked shot.
Those two teams are miles ahead of Orlando.
I'm going to have to disagree and say we have the best starting five. Your stars will be another year older and closer to retirement. Our starting five is younger, except Fisher, so we don't have to worry about age as much.
Also, I don't understand why you are underestimating Orlando. I understand you didn't have KG but they beat you guys this past season in the playoffs without Nelson. With a healthy Nelson, they are still a force to be reckoned with. I would say they are right up there with any team in the East.
I'm going to have to disagree and say we have the best starting five. Your stars will be another year older and closer to retirement. Our starting five is younger, except Fisher, so we don't have to worry about age as much.
The Rondo/Fisher differential is the biggest. The only thing Rondo can't do is shoot and block shots. He plays great defense, is an excellent passer, is faster than hell, and knows how to run a team. Fisher is slow, awful on defense, and offensively is reduced to just being a 3 point shooter. If Fisher didn't hit that shot in game 4, how many of you would still want him as a Laker?
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Also, I don't understand why you are underestimating Orlando. I understand you didn't have KG but they beat you guys this past season in the playoffs without Nelson. With a healthy Nelson, they are still a force to be reckoned with. I would say they are right up there with any team in the East.
You have to understand the difference. Not only is Nelson less important to his team's success than KG, but the Magic had Alston playing in place of Nelson. Alston's not as good as Nelson, but still a pretty decent guard. The C's, after Powe went down, were using Glen Davis and Brian Scalabrine, with dashes of Mikki Moore, to replace Garnett.
LOL! Sorry but I'm not sure how I can take you seriously with that statement. You're probably one of the few people in the world that believes that. Also, after this season, I'd like to think that Gasol is pretty close to equal with KG right now.
The Rondo/Fisher differential is the biggest. The only thing Rondo can't do is shoot and block shots. He plays great defense, is an excellent passer, is faster than hell, and knows how to run a team. Fisher is slow, awful on defense, and offensively is reduced to just being a 3 point shooter. If Fisher didn't hit that shot in game 4, how many of you would still want him as a Laker?
You have to understand the difference. Not only is Nelson less important to his team's success than KG, but the Magic had Alston playing in place of Nelson. Alston's not as good as Nelson, but still a pretty decent guard. The C's, after Powe went down, were using Glen Davis and Brian Scalabrine, with dashes of Mikki Moore, to replace Garnett.
If you flip flop Artest and Kobe, you have:
Artest > Ray
Kobe > Pierce
You can't just match up the starting lineup by positions and expect it to carry your argument. For one, those aren't the matchups. Second, no team plays exclusive one on one at all five positions, especially a team like your Celtics. Comparing the sum of all parts is subjective, but it's necessary. And there is no way in hell that Perkins is equal to Odom, much less Bynum if we're assuming full health here.
after wht i just saw from pau in the playoffs, i'd go as far as to say that pau gasol is = kg. he's really close to being as kg at least. and there's no way in hell perkins is better than bynum/lamar.
So Bynum is better than Perkins, is what you people are trying to tell me?
BH: Kobe is better than both of them. Skills wise, Ray = Artest.
sylaw: KG is twice the defender Gasol is, and is still plenty capable of putting up 19 and 10. Gasol is a better scorer and passer. What do you value more?
Hmmm Jacoby has made some very interesting points in this thread that I feel must be addressed and yes you have gotta be a homer to say the Cavs and the Celts are miles ahead of the Magic.
Orlando has 4 all stars in their lineup, yet they are the third best in the East. Panic move to get VC, really? Even before getting Vince, it was well talked about that Orlando would not be able to keep Hedo and Gortat. The Cavs got an older Shaq, who actually doesnt address any of their problems last season. He doesnt guard quicker forwards and centers and is pretty much useless in the pick and roll. Boston's a year older, granted if they get Sheed they are probably the best team in the East, but as of now, I think they are behind the Cavs. Woefully thin bench, lack of big man depth, old stars, especially Ray who was pretty much useless against the Magic. Orlando is the best team in the East, they have the best big man in the game, who should only get better. There arent many teams trudging out four all stars in their lineup.
Lets get this clear, Vince Carter is better than Hedo at every aspect of the game, how's that regressing?
You know what, if Orlando isn't the best team in the East, I can even see myself agreeing with that, but they are not miles behind the Cavs and Celtics, its a close contest amongst those 3.
Usually when people dont have a reasonable/logical response they will launch personal attacks or try to discredit the messenger. I actually expected Jacoby to respond that way, some things never change.
So Bynum is better than Perkins, is what you people are trying to tell me?
BH: Kobe is better than both of them. Skills wise, Ray = Artest.
sylaw: KG is twice the defender Gasol is, and is still plenty capable of putting up 19 and 10. Gasol is a better scorer and passer. What do you value more?
yes, bynum is better than perkins - at last he will be next year. gasol's defense in the playoffs closed the gap, which is a major reason why i like him even more after the 08-09 run. pau handled shard AND dwight pretty well in the finals. i think kg could do the same, but he only averaged 15.9 points last season. i don't think KG can get 19 points a game anymore.
Usually when people dont have a reasonable/logical response they will launch personal attacks or try to discredit the messenger. I actually expected Jacoby to respond that way, some things never change.
*Unnecessary. Stay on topic.*
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