So now that we've got him, will Dwight stay? - Basketball Forum : Professional and College Basketball Forums

**Luke** · 08-12-2012, 04:09 PM

I say yes. He'll be in a better situation if he does than if he leaves, and he'll be leaving money on the table if he decides to skip town. We're arguably the best market in the world with an awesome front office. Give Howard a few months of L.A. fans kissing his ass and I think he'll feel at home here.

**Laker Freak** · 08-12-2012, 10:20 PM

Absolutely no chance of him leaving. Has anyone in NBA history ever taken less money to leave Los Angeles or New York? (Serious question for you history buffs)

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**Cris** · 08-12-2012, 10:36 PM

No one has ever turned down a Max-contract. If he leaves, we'll get something back, but I don't think he will considering how LA is guaranteed to fall in love with him.

**Basel** · 08-12-2012, 10:58 PM

**King Sancho Fantastic** · 08-12-2012, 11:18 PM

This front office has proven time and time again that they are willing and able to put together championship teams. That coupled with the fact we can give him the most money too should be more than enough for Dwight to stay.

**Jamel Irief** · 08-13-2012, 07:55 AM

Would be the biggest shocker since Antonio McDyess left Phoenix for Denver in 1998 if he left.

elcap15 · 08-13-2012, 10:13 AM

I think he'll stay. Especially if we make it to the finals

PauloCatarino · 08-13-2012, 02:21 PM

For all accounts, Howard is a dumbass, but i don't see him skipping town unless he has a nightmare of a season.

Like Kobe said, it's Howard's team in a couple of years. THEN, he can be The Man on the most glorious basketball franchise. and the money's better.

**Jace** · 08-13-2012, 04:48 PM

Barring something catastrophic, he's staying. Buss/Kuppy knew this, which is why they were fine with Dwight not signing an extension. You put Los Angeles + the most $$$ available in front of a kid like Dwight and he's hypnotized. I don't see him being motivated by winning over glitz and dough. Not saying LA won't still be in contending position, but you never know if a team can work something out to offer him younger star teammates in another good market. Given that choice, I still say Howard sticks with LA, even if Kobe/Nash appear on a steep decline and Pau continues Pau-ting.

He'll have all the space in the world (no D-Rose) to sell his adidas brand in a humongous market with a tradition of legendary, all-league centers. Team-hopping will be seen as a blemish to his legacy.

PauloCatarino · 08-13-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

Barring something catastrophic, he's staying. Buss/Kuppy knew this, which is why they were fine with Dwight not signing an extension. You put Los Angeles + the most $$$ available in front of a kid like Dwight and he's hypnotized. I don't see him being motivated by winning over glitz and dough. Not saying LA won't still be in contending position, but you never know if a team can work something out to offer him younger star teammates in another good market. Given that choice, I still say Howard sticks with LA, even if Kobe/Nash appear on a steep decline and Pau continues Pau-ting.

He'll have all the space in the world (no D-Rose) to sell his adidas brand in a humongous market with a tradition of legendary, all-league centers. Team-hopping will be seen as a blemish to his legacy.

That didn't seem to bother Cabron James!

seifer0406 · 08-13-2012, 06:23 PM

i'm pretty sure he's staying. Where can he go next year?

ss03 · 08-13-2012, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PauloCatarino

That didn't seem to bother Cabron James!

Switching teams once and team hopping aren't necessarily the same thing... In Dwight's case, he would have whined for a trade, gotten it to perhaps the best media market in the NBA, and then bolted after one season there despite everything that had to happen to get him there. If he really wanted to play with Dallas, he could have played out the year in Orlando and then signed there.

Dwight has no reason to leave unless he can't stand the LA pressure... Or Kobe.

**King Sancho Fantastic** · 08-13-2012, 10:30 PM

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Just listened to Dr. Robert Klapper, chief of orthopedic surgery at Cedar Sinai and ESPN 710's resident expert.

Some highlights:

1. From an orthopedic surgery standpoint he would much rather have Dwight's back than Andrew's knees.

2. The knees have a much more "chronic injury" issue than Dwight's back which is an "acute injury" that can be repaired with very little sequelae.

3. After surgery, you can't play basketball and engage in any heavy physical activity for 4 months.

Why?

Because the injury is a disc herniation: a small amount of the nucleus pulposus or the "shock absorber" of the disc got squeezed out. It is a VERY SMALL amount. You get rid of the "squirted out" material with a 1 inch incision under a microscope.

There is a 5-10 percent chance that returning to physical activity too early could herniate more material. That's obviously not good because you've reherniated the disc and have to remove more of the extruded disc.

Bear in mind that Dwight was fully recovered, pain free, and ready to work out probably a few weeks after surgery (it is only 1 inch incision after all). BUT returning to physical activity too early gets you that 5-10 percent chance. Keep in mind that means there is a 90 to 95% chance that if he came back after only a month or so he would be fine.

But he is Dwight Howard and so they are being super, super cautious.

4. He had surgery 04/20/2012 which means he should be able to resume training, weights, basketball activity, etc around 08/20/2012 if everything goes according to schedule and he feels no pain, etc.

5. Per Dr. Klapper, based on that schedule Dwight should be ready for opening night (10/30/2012). He'll have 2 months to get his conditioning back. Again assuming he recovers as expected and at his age and conditioning there should be NO REASON for any setbacks.

6. Dwight will ALWAYS know he had surgery, he'll ALWAYS feel just a little different. That's unavoidable. BUT that feeling doesn't affect his ability to do what he needs to do. Per Dr. Klapper as fans we should be able to tell NO DIFFERENCE in the way he plays. He should have essentially NO difference in his skills, athleticism, etc.

7. By way, reading some medical papers addressing the effects of laminectomy on NBA athletes, those papers support Dr. Klapper's assertion that Dwight should be back as good as new.

8. That should answer the question why teams are still willing to kill themselves to get Dwight Howard despite this "back injury" issue. It's a non-issue moving forward. Also why he and his agent are very comfortable not extending and waiting for the end of the season to sign a new max contract. They know, all-world BEAST 3x DPOY Howard is coming back this year. With Stephen A interview, Dwight pointed out that he absolutely felt he could have won a 4th straight DPOY if he had been fully healthy. He's ready to come back and remind everyone who he is on the basketball floor. Trust me, he may be smiling but this whole Dwightmare did affect him and he's going to playing with an edge, especially on defense.

The most dominant defensive force in the NBA basically feels disrespected and the league has NO IDEA what is coming down on them from the 5 slot.

Summary: If everything goes according to schedule, we should hear something by the end of August that Dwight is starting to work out again on the court, lifting, running etc.

Chances are good that he'll be ready for the start of the season.

Chances overwhelmingly good that there will be no lasting effect from this particular injury.

Final point: He played with a lot of pain and discomfort when the incompetent, dumbass Magic medical staff misdiagnosed with "back spasms." He said it was more pain than he had ever experienced since he was in the league.

That's why the thing that hurt him personally the most in the media was that he was faking an injury and quitting on his team. He put up All-Star numbers last year playing with a herniated disc.

When I think of Bynum taking plays and games off and openly admitting it while Dwight is still putting up the numbers he did with an injury that ultimately required surgery and in a toxic, destructive environment . . . I think there is no doubt the sort of heart and work ethic Dwight is going to bring to our team.

Hope all of this is a bit reassuring.

http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=148925

Some good info about Dwight's back surgery.

Adam · 08-13-2012, 11:24 PM

Just to make this actually questionable (because as the question is posed the answer is 100% yes) let's say they add some provisions into his contract.

Say, he has to wash Jerry Buss's car once a week (by hand) and do Jim Buss's laundry once every two weeks in order to receive the max. Does he do it or does he leave the $30 million or whatever on the table and walk? How about just the car wash?

elcap15 · 08-14-2012, 10:19 AM

I would do Jim Buss' laundry for free, just hoping to find c-notes that he left in his jeans when he was out getting shit-faced with our new talent scout.

08-12-2012, 04:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
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Jace X V I Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Miami/Raleigh Age: 27 Posts: 17,288 Rep Power: 2677069	Re: So now that we've got him, will Dwight stay? Barring something catastrophic, he's staying. Buss/Kuppy knew this, which is why they were fine with Dwight not signing an extension. You put Los Angeles + the most $$$ available in front of a kid like Dwight and he's hypnotized. I don't see him being motivated by winning over glitz and dough. Not saying LA won't still be in contending position, but you never know if a team can work something out to offer him younger star teammates in another good market. Given that choice, I still say Howard sticks with LA, even if Kobe/Nash appear on a steep decline and Pau continues Pau-ting. He'll have all the space in the world (no D-Rose) to sell his adidas brand in a humongous market with a tradition of legendary, all-league centers. Team-hopping will be seen as a blemish to his legacy. __________________ Jace's soundcloud

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