Jamel Irief

Phil is the only guy I would fire brown at this point for. Will you guys at least admit you are saying the exact same thing the heat fans did regarding spoelstra two years ago?


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Adam

Spoelstra was a young, inexperienced coach. Brown has a longer resume. Spoelstra admitted his mistakes and how he could have done better and he has continuously been improving. I don't like Spoelstra, and I haven't liked him since his first year, but even I will admit that he is improving and succeeding doing things his way.

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Jamel Irief

Go back and read the threads. You guys were saying he was incapable of improving and the heat would never win with him.

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Adam

Quote something for me to actually defend.

I don't like Spoelstra, I especially didn't like him in the beginning. I still don't agree with his style of basketball and the players he values. But I can't deny that he is improving. He's a big part of why we didn't win in LeBron's first year, but he got better and the team won. I said as much after we won the championship. He won doing it his way. I'll never be a fan of his small ball basketball approach and his offensive principles but he's the man and he won the ring so good deal on him.

Mike Brown isn't improving. Heat fans had to deal with Spoelstra's growing pains. You Lakers fans are dealing with a finished product.

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R-Star

Its Adam, you guys shouldn't bother. This is a huge waste of your time.


Adam shit talked Spoelstra and wanted his head. Now he's flip flopping it into something else.


The guy is pathetic. You're all wasting your time.

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DaRizzle

^Amen Adam

I hate the Spolstra comparison. Just because they are both "superteams" doesnt mean its going to hash out the same way. Spolstra isnt Mike Brown. Mike Brown isnt Spolstra. Mike Brown sure as hell doesnt have a Pat Riley to help behind the scenes.

Yes Lakers will be "fine"...but that doesnt cut it with this team. This team is championship or bust period.

Mike Brown defensive stats were inflated from crappy east coast teams
Mike Brown knows nothing about offense
Mike Brown wasnt the choice of Mitch
Mike Brown still has no clue on rotations
Mike Brown owes Popovich and Lebron his career. He rode coat-tails and nobody noticed it seems

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Adam

Even for the sake of Jamel's argument I admitted we Heat fans (myself included) were wrong about Spoelstra. Now, I could argue that we won in spite of Spoelstra and that we won after he finally made the changes we fans had been asking for years (LeBron at the 4, Haslem on the bench, and Chalmers starting not benched for Mike Bibby or some scrub).

But just for his argument I'll admit we were wrong about Spoelstra, he won. However Heat fans being wrong doesn't mean Lakers fans are wrong about Brown. The guy has a long resume. He's not an unknown with any upside. He's a proven bad coach with no clue on offense. I don't even know how he got the job in the first place.

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Jamel Irief

Thank you. I didn't say they were comparable, just that both fan bases claimed the team would never accomplish anything with said coach. Nobody was saying back then "well, he sucks now... but we can take some growing pains with him and he can improve."

Bad coaches don't win 60+ games. It just doesn't happen.

I will go on record as saying that if the Lakers fire Brown before the season is over they have ZERO chance of winning this year. Kupchak knows this to, which is why it will never happen. If Kupchak had the same thought process as Laker fans there would be 30 trades a year (and 15 of them would be to trade Pau Gasol) and Gilbert Arenas, Delonte West, Keon Clark and any other vagabond with talent would be on the roster.

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Hyperion

What happened when SVG was fired from the Heat in mid season?

If Kupchak had that same thought process as an intelligent fan, then he would have never hired Brown in the first place. I would have gone after Nate McMillan or D'Antoni. Those two at least excel at something. With the age of the current Lakers, I would have gone with D'Antoni because he knows what an offense needs to be elite. Nate may be wasted on the Lakers because they just aren't athletic enough to be an elite defensive team and his efforts would be wasted and the offense would struggle.

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Jamel Irief

I've already addressed this in another thread. SVG to Riley is literally the only example I can think of where that worked out, and in that case they were replacing the coach with a guy that was in the position just two years ago and still in the locker room every day.

It's hard to believe you are more intelligent than Kupchak considering you didn't realize D'antoni and McMillian were both employed by other teams when the Lakers hired Brown.

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Hyperion

Meh, it's not my job to know which coach is available and when. My job is to drill teeth. Bad coaches do win games in this league. It's a matter of luck with personnel. Every coach understand the game of basketball at the pro level, but the good coaches are able to make the team greater than its parts. In the East, merely having James was enough to win 50.

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