DaRizzle

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Gonzo

For the love of God please don't steal Brian Shaw from us. I'm wanting the Pacers to dump Vogel and put Shaw in our head coaching seat.

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The One

My list order of Best Coaches:

1. Nate McMillan (Absolute best choice. Our main problem is effort and he's the best)

2. Jerry Sloan (He would be No.1 but his age does concern me. Best at coaching effort too.)

3. Phil Jackson (I doubt he's ever going to come back, though, - too expensive )

4. Brian Shaw (He will have the respect from Kobe, but he's still inexperienced)

5.[Tie] Mike D'Antoni (He will bring the best out of Nash. Also, Kobe likes him, but the D won't be too good)

5.[Tie] Stan Van Gundy (If Him and Howard make amends, he will bring the best out of Howard)

6. Kurt Rambis (He's...OK, Still better than coach Brown )

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Jamel Irief

Rambis is a solid second choice. Last time we fired our coach and hired Rambis midseason we had great results.

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Wilt_The_Stilt

I am a little worried about getting rid of Brown. I need to know who is going to replace him first. If it was PJ I would say do it no question. But a guy like Rambis? I'm not sure that is going to make a positive difference.

I do worry about Brown playing the starters too many minutes though.

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Jamel Irief

Hey look! A fan of a team that doesn't like his coach!

If you were to ask 90% of NBA fans they would tell you their coach sucks. Like in 2004 when people on this very site were happy to see Phil not return, then complained about Rudy T's offense, then complained that Frank Hamblin was clueless. Grass is always greener on the other side.

I promise you Gonzo was probably very happy when they fired Jim O'brien.

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Gonzo

Of course I was happy when we fired Jim O'Brien, we sucked and needed a change. It was obvious that his system didn't work in Indiana and players didn't like him. You would know that he was a big part of the problem if you had watched us consistently that season.

As far as Vogel, I like the guy, but I don't think he's a quality head coach. He was a perfect interim coach for the team and did a good job but when he comes out publicly and says he needs to make the offensive system easier? Yikes. So much for training camp and preseason. I think it's pretty obvious why I would want Shaw over Vogel, considering Shaw learned from the Zen Master himself and Vogel learned from O'Brien. Zen Master or O'Brien, take your pick.

And thanks for using me as an example for your sarcasm, but my gripes are warranted.

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Jamel Irief

I wasn't doing it to call you out, because I know most Pacer fans share your same views.

Just like most Heat fans swore they would never win a ring with Spoelstra.

Just like most Laker fans hate Brown, and would hate whoever would replace him.

The only people that suck worst than your favorite teams head coach is the refs.

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R-Star

Pacers fans on this site don't blame the refs like some Laker fans have been doing already this season.


As far as Vogel, in some aspects he's a great coach. He's a great motivator, the guys like him, they seem to have a tough defensive grit under him as well.
On the flip side, all last playoffs you would see us go out to a nice lead in the first quarter, and every single time as soon as his stopwatch went off, boom, in goes Hansbrough and Amundson. Not for a couple minutes for Hibbert and West to catch their breath, no. Most of the time it was for about 10 minutes before West would come back in, and longer for Hibbert. Every single time we would see the lead blown, and when the starting bigs got back in we'd have a huge deficit to chip away at.

He plays to a very rigid rotation no matter what, which during the playoffs is absolutely mind boggling.

If he learns to change that I'm happy with him staying. If I see the same thing these playoffs I'll be calling for his head.

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Basel

Which Lakers fans have been blaming the refs for any losses?

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R-Star

http://www.basketballforum.com/los-a...s-0-0-a-3.html

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Basel

Gotcha; yeah, there were bad calls in that game but the refs have been the least of our problems.

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R-Star

Agreed. Some people always blame the refs when things go bad. Bottom line is bad reffing happens to every team. Its just something you have to power through, not point at.

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MojoPin

What record do they have to sink to before Brown gets fired? 1-10?

Jamel Irief

IMO, they would have to be under .500 still a month from now before they would fire him.

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