Game #21: Jazz (11-10) @ Lakers (9-11) - Page 4 - Basketball Forum : Professional and College Basketball Forums

**Ron** · 12-09-2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

Herrrreeee's Johnnnnyyyy!!!!

**Ron** · 12-09-2012, 10:41 PM

Gee, I guess Pau wasn't the problem after all.

1-3 without him.

Pau, wear any pants you wish.

e-monk · 12-09-2012, 10:44 PM

Panicking!!!! seriously, defense

**Ron** · 12-09-2012, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by e-monk

Panicking!!!! seriously, defense

We know the Lakers defense. D. Green is right. They are what we thought they were, and right now, this ****ing team doesn't (or can't) play defense. Here is a twitter quote tonight that says it all.

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Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne
One scout at the game said it was laughable how little pressure Laker guards put on Utah PGs. "They took nothing away," scout said.

e-monk · 12-10-2012, 04:51 AM

that's just it - they arent playing up on the ball on the perimeter at all - you cant enjoy the dwight effect if you arent extending pressure and playing aggressively

**R-Star** · 12-10-2012, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MojoPin

Whoopi Goldberg would do a better job coaching the team. The Buss family deserves every bit of this. Yeah, trade for Howard and then put him in a system that minimizes his impact - brilliant! May as well have kept Mike freaking Brown.

He's taking 2 shots less than he did on his highest use seasons in Orlando, where he had little help on offense.

What are you talking about?

And who's fault is it that hes been average defensively? The coaches?

You guys seem to be pussy footing around this, but this team doesn't seem like it fits well together. Quit blaming the coaches at every turn.

e-monk · 12-10-2012, 05:10 AM

without nash or pau they're still a top 10 offensive team in terms of ppg and ppp(ossession) - it's defense, and you're right about Howard, he's still not right and he's still not playing close to where he was with orlando on defense

**R-Star** · 12-10-2012, 05:15 AM

Or people undervalue what Stan Van did for that team. The team played a very defense first mindset.

Much like Frank Vogel does for Indy. It doesn't always mean its a good thing.

**Jamel Irief** · 12-10-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by R-Star

He's taking 2 shots less than he did on his highest use seasons in Orlando, where he had little help on offense.

What are you talking about?

And who's fault is it that hes been average defensively? The coaches?

You guys seem to be pussy footing around this, but this team doesn't seem like it fits well together. Quit blaming the coaches at every turn.

But it's easy to blame coaches! It doesn't take as much critical thinking and analysis!

Whatever coach the Lakers don't have, THAT'S the one that will fix everything!

**R-Star** · 12-10-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamel Irief

But it's easy to blame coaches! It doesn't take as much critical thinking and analysis!

Whatever coach the Lakers don't have, THAT'S the one that will fix everything!

I think the only thing that would have solved that is if Phil actually did come and they played the same shit basketball.

No one on here would really claim him of being a shit coach, so the players would finally have to take some heat.

**Jace** · 12-10-2012, 03:04 PM

If they are a bad fit together, I don't think it's a huge deal. The Heat made it to the finals their first year with the big 3, clearly not fitting well together.

I still believe the Lakers have a better natural fit than the Heat did/do, perhaps with the exception of the Pauward dilemma.

**R-Star** · 12-10-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

If they are a bad fit together, I don't think it's a huge deal. The Heat made it to the finals their first year with the big 3, clearly not fitting well together.

I still believe the Lakers have a better natural fit than the Heat did/do, perhaps with the exception of the Pauward dilemma.

The Lakers aren't the Heat though. They don't have the "its ok, there's always next year" luxury. Kobe is old, Pau is getting there, and Nash is just old as shit. And if they implode this year, who's to say that smiling asshole Dwight even stays?

They won't have a year in quite some time that's better for them than right now. They need to figure this shit out.

**Jace** · 12-10-2012, 04:09 PM

Dwight's staying. He's more interested in money and the spotlight than winning. No team can offer either of those more.

And my argument there was centered around the Heat having made the Finals regardless of the misfitting, despite not consummating. Lakers have a much tougher road with Memphis, LA, SA, and OKC in their way, but they certainly have the talent up top to make a run when it matters.

**Jamel Irief** · 12-10-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by R-Star

I think the only thing that would have solved that is if Phil actually did come and they played the same shit basketball.

No one on here would really claim him of being a shit coach, so the players would finally have to take some heat.

Eh some would. When Phil was fired in 2004 some posters in here said good riddance. When Phil retired in 2011 Ron said good riddance.

Least popular people in the NBA-

3) commissioner
2) your favorite teams coach (DING! Vogel)
1) Refs

**Jace** · 12-10-2012, 08:38 PM

Or if you're doctordrizzay, the running mate to your man crush (Wade).

View Poll Results: Who do you think will win?
Jazz	3	50.00%
Lakers	3	50.00%
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12-09-2012, 10:41 PM	#47 (permalink)
Ron Site Founder Join Date: May 2002 Location: Brea, California Posts: 14,558 Rep Power: 2734398	Re: Game #21: Jazz (11-10) @ Lakers (9-11) Gee, I guess Pau wasn't the problem after all. 1-3 without him. Pau, wear any pants you wish. __________________

12-09-2012, 10:44 PM	#48 (permalink)
e-monk All-Star Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,673 Rep Power: 3274359	Re: Game #21: Jazz (11-10) @ Lakers (9-11) Panicking!!!! seriously, defense

12-10-2012, 04:51 AM	#50 (permalink)
e-monk All-Star Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,673 Rep Power: 3274359	Re: Game #21: Jazz (11-10) @ Lakers (9-11) that's just it - they arent playing up on the ball on the perimeter at all - you cant enjoy the dwight effect if you arent extending pressure and playing aggressively

12-10-2012, 05:10 AM	#52 (permalink)
e-monk All-Star Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,673 Rep Power: 3274359	Re: Game #21: Jazz (11-10) @ Lakers (9-11) without nash or pau they're still a top 10 offensive team in terms of ppg and ppp(ossession) - it's defense, and you're right about Howard, he's still not right and he's still not playing close to where he was with orlando on defense

12-10-2012, 05:15 AM	#53 (permalink)
R-Star BBB.net Archivist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The village of Clive, bro Age: 30 Posts: 37,860 Rep Power: 21474884	Re: Game #21: Jazz (11-10) @ Lakers (9-11) Or people undervalue what Stan Van did for that team. The team played a very defense first mindset. Much like Frank Vogel does for Indy. It doesn't always mean its a good thing. __________________

12-10-2012, 03:04 PM	#56 (permalink)
Jace X V I Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Miami/Raleigh Age: 27 Posts: 16,077 Rep Power: 2677068	Re: Game #21: Jazz (11-10) @ Lakers (9-11) If they are a bad fit together, I don't think it's a huge deal. The Heat made it to the finals their first year with the big 3, clearly not fitting well together. I still believe the Lakers have a better natural fit than the Heat did/do, perhaps with the exception of the Pauward dilemma. __________________ Jace's soundcloud

12-10-2012, 04:09 PM	#58 (permalink)
Jace X V I Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Miami/Raleigh Age: 27 Posts: 16,077 Rep Power: 2677068	Re: Game #21: Jazz (11-10) @ Lakers (9-11) Dwight's staying. He's more interested in money and the spotlight than winning. No team can offer either of those more. And my argument there was centered around the Heat having made the Finals regardless of the misfitting, despite not consummating. Lakers have a much tougher road with Memphis, LA, SA, and OKC in their way, but they certainly have the talent up top to make a run when it matters. __________________ Jace's soundcloud

12-10-2012, 08:38 PM	#60 (permalink)
Jace X V I Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Miami/Raleigh Age: 27 Posts: 16,077 Rep Power: 2677068	Re: Game #21: Jazz (11-10) @ Lakers (9-11) Or if you're doctordrizzay, the running mate to your man crush (Wade). __________________ Jace's soundcloud

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