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**Jace** · 12-11-2012, 07:43 PM

Kinda wild seeing all of those great Kobe games go to waste.

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Originally Posted by R-Star

Thanks for the insight Adam.

I'm sure the Laker faithful here appreciate your "you guys suck" offerings much more.

**Ron** · 12-11-2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

I'm sure the Laker faithful here appreciate your "you guys suck" offerings much more.

He has to get them in now while he still can...we all know this team will turn it around...don't we?

**Jace** · 12-11-2012, 07:46 PM

When Paul George becomes George Gervin.

**R-Star** · 12-11-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

Kinda wild seeing all of those great Kobe games go to waste.

I'm sure the Laker faithful here appreciate your "you guys suck" offerings much more.

I post with Laker fans daily.

Not like some *unnecessary* who shows up in losses to rub it in Laker fans faces. How many threads has Fairweather Adam posted in when the Lakers win?

**Ron** · 12-11-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by R-Star

I post with Laker fans daily.

Not like some who shows up in losses to rub it in Laker fans faces. How many threads has Fairweather Adam posted in when the Lakers win?

doctordrizzay is even worse. He is really close to being banned from this team board.

Adam is okay, try to keep name calling out of the posts.

LA68 · 12-11-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

You ever play the game? You ever stand around when someone else is hogging the ball, no matter how good they are? Besides being irritated, how was your ability to make baskets when you finally (if ever) got the ball into your own hands?

The Lakers supposedly have that taken care of. They hired this guy they call a "coach" and its his job to handle that.

I can solve it for both of us. What the heck is he playing 40 mins a night in the first place ?? He can't hog the ball sitting down can he ?

**Luke** · 12-11-2012, 08:16 PM

R-Star does post with the Laker fans on this board pretty regularly, he's not trolling. Really the only excessive troll we have around these parts is doctordrizzay, even Adam only shows up like five times a year with a one liner.

**Luke** · 12-11-2012, 08:18 PM

And Kobe is not the problem. As others have touched on, somebody has to put up points, if the rest of the team feels content to play passively or shitty in general then somebody has to step up and take action. It may not necessary be conducive to winning basketball, but neither is trying to get incompetent players involved in the offense.

hobojoe · 12-11-2012, 08:31 PM

You guys know better than I do from watching him every game, but from what I've seen I don't really think it's fair to look at those numbers and infer that Kobe shooting and scoring a lot makes the Lakers lose. In fact I would argue the reverse is actually closer to the truth -- Kobe shoots a lot when the Lakers are losing to try to get them back in it. His efficiency has been superb this year.

To me it's similar to passing yards in football. Some of the biggest passing numbers in NFL history are put up in losses from quarterbacks trying to make up a deficit quickly. Passing the ball a lot does not cause your team to lose, it is often a symptom of falling behind. Kobe shooting and looking to score on his own is like passing, running your offense is like running the football. You try to establish the run early, but if you get down sometimes you need Kobe to try and bring you back. Everyone knows he's capable of scoring and scoring in bunches.

I agree with R-Star, the glaring issue is obviously the lack of depth, particularly with Nash and Gasol out.

hobojoe · 12-11-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke

R-Star does post with the Laker fans on this board pretty regularly, he's not trolling. Really the only excessive troll we have around these parts is doctordrizzay, even Adam only shows up like five times a year with a one liner.

R-Star isn't a Lakers troll, but he is an Adam troll.

**Jamel Irief** · 12-11-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

doctordrizzay is even worse. He is really close to being banned from this team board.

I called it in the preseason! Ron would end up banning him from this board!

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Originally Posted by Basel

He IS passing, though. Maybe not like a PG since that isn't his job, but he's passing. When his teammates aren't hitting (which has often been the case), that's when he starts to shoot more and score a lot.

Sorry, but I literally don't remember him making a play for anyone tonight. Only time he would pass is when he picked up his dribble and didn't like the shot. But he would look hard at that rim before he did pass.

**King Sancho Fantastic** · 12-11-2012, 09:11 PM

King Sancho approves of R-Star.

**Jamel Irief** · 12-11-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hobojoe

You guys know better than I do from watching him every game, but from what I've seen I don't really think it's fair to look at those numbers and infer that Kobe shooting and scoring a lot makes the Lakers lose. In fact I would argue the reverse is actually closer to the truth -- Kobe shoots a lot when the Lakers are losing to try to get them back in it. His efficiency has been superb this year.

To me it's similar to passing yards in football. Some of the biggest passing numbers in NFL history are put up in losses from quarterbacks trying to make up a deficit quickly. Passing the ball a lot does not cause your team to lose, it is often a symptom of falling behind. Kobe shooting and looking to score on his own is like passing, running your offense is like running the football. You try to establish the run early, but if you get down sometimes you need Kobe to try and bring you back. Everyone knows he's capable of scoring and scoring in bunches.

I agree with R-Star, the glaring issue is obviously the lack of depth, particularly with Nash and Gasol out.

I like the bench a lot more than I did a month ago.

Denver, Clippers, Spurs... maybe the Knicks. Only teams I can think of where depth wouldn't be an issue if they were missing 2 of their 4 best players. Take Ibaka and Martin off OKC. Take Allen and Bosh off Miami.

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Originally Posted by hobojoe

R-Star isn't a Lakers troll, but he is an Adam troll.

He's trying more. Before it was "shut up Adam, leave the thread!" now he just subtly mocks him. I think the "sorry, I can just draft Norris Cole" thread is what started this.

**Jamel Irief** · 12-11-2012, 09:41 PM

Just want to add that R-star has trolled in here for sure in the past (re: Bynum two years ago) but at least back then I didn't mind since he was passionate and thorough about his opinion and it lead to good banter. Adam and drizzay just come in here and state a negative fact about the Lakers and leave.

"CJ Miles was averaging 6 points a game coming in to tonight"

(exits thread)

That adds nothing.

**Basel** · 12-11-2012, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamel Irief

I called it in the preseason! Ron would end up banning him from this board!

Sorry, but I literally don't remember him making a play for anyone tonight. Only time he would pass is when he picked up his dribble and didn't like the shot. But he would look hard at that rim before he did pass.

Maybe not tonight, but I'm talking about overall this season.

12-11-2012, 07:46 PM	#33 (permalink)
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Luke Go Dawgs Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 11,870 Rep Power: 4300832	Re: The Kobe Factor R-Star does post with the Laker fans on this board pretty regularly, he's not trolling. Really the only excessive troll we have around these parts is doctordrizzay, even Adam only shows up like five times a year with a one liner. __________________ Formerly VanillaPrice

12-11-2012, 08:18 PM	#38 (permalink)
Luke Go Dawgs Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 11,870 Rep Power: 4300832	Re: The Kobe Factor And Kobe is not the problem. As others have touched on, somebody has to put up points, if the rest of the team feels content to play passively or shitty in general then somebody has to step up and take action. It may not necessary be conducive to winning basketball, but neither is trying to get incompetent players involved in the offense. __________________ Formerly VanillaPrice

12-11-2012, 08:31 PM	#39 (permalink)
hobojoe Legend Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 22,083 Rep Power: 7326019	Re: The Kobe Factor You guys know better than I do from watching him every game, but from what I've seen I don't really think it's fair to look at those numbers and infer that Kobe shooting and scoring a lot makes the Lakers lose. In fact I would argue the reverse is actually closer to the truth -- Kobe shoots a lot when the Lakers are losing to try to get them back in it. His efficiency has been superb this year. To me it's similar to passing yards in football. Some of the biggest passing numbers in NFL history are put up in losses from quarterbacks trying to make up a deficit quickly. Passing the ball a lot does not cause your team to lose, it is often a symptom of falling behind. Kobe shooting and looking to score on his own is like passing, running your offense is like running the football. You try to establish the run early, but if you get down sometimes you need Kobe to try and bring you back. Everyone knows he's capable of scoring and scoring in bunches. I agree with R-Star, the glaring issue is obviously the lack of depth, particularly with Nash and Gasol out.

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Jamel Irief KING OF THE INTERWEBZ! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Watching the Lakers Age: 96 Posts: 20,188 Rep Power: 14125348	Re: The Kobe Factor Just want to add that R-star has trolled in here for sure in the past (re: Bynum two years ago) but at least back then I didn't mind since he was passionate and thorough about his opinion and it lead to good banter. Adam and drizzay just come in here and state a negative fact about the Lakers and leave. "CJ Miles was averaging 6 points a game coming in to tonight" (exits thread) That adds nothing. __________________

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