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Old 11-16-2012, 07:41 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Oh you mean the 4 times 45 years ago
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Oh you mean the 4 times 45 years ago
How is that relevant? It's only happened 16 times since 1878. 25% of triple crown winners for batters haven't won the MVP.
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What the **** is WAR....is that their answer to PER

I don't even follow baseball any more...but all I know is a Triple Crown = automatic MVP **** everything else you're talking about. Don't outsmart yourselves with this TI-83 bullshit..
Yes it the answer to PER and your are 100% correct people are out thinking themself because of some dumbass computer generated stat that tells me Ben Zobrist was the best player in baseball last year

Im so glad i can make decision by myself and dont have to live off of something a made up stat tells me
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Please explain to me why RBIs dont matter. Please lets hear this dumbass statement about how a baseball game is won without a RBI. Just because a guy cant control if his teammate gets on base to give him a RBI chance doesnt mean the stat is worthless. Lets punish the people that hit Solo HR also well we are at it

Let just take the RBI out of Baseball because people want to cry about how other Players can control when they get a RBI chance. Boo f'n Hoo
lol....you give joek good competition in terms of being a clueless baseball fan.

For starters the opportunity for a player to get a rbi is independent of the player's actual performance. If a guy has a runner in scoring position more times than the next player, how is getting more rbi's an achievement when you look solely on the final stat? Not to mention Mike Trout is a leadoff hitter compared to Cabrera who bats 3rd, it's a retarded argument at every angle. I mean as a leadoff hitter it would be close to impossible for Trout to win a triple crown, so are you telling me that he lose by default using your logic?

But then again I guess why the MVP was given to Cabrera. The majority of baseball fans are uneducated just like you therefore this award is basically given to satisfy your kind.
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Ya because i forgot you can Tie in baseball you dont need anyone to drive in Runs for your team
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Please explain to me why RBIs dont matter. Please lets hear this dumbass statement about how a baseball game is won without a RBI. Just because a guy cant control if his teammate gets on base to give him a RBI chance doesnt mean the stat is worthless. Lets punish the people that hit Solo HR also well we are at it

Let just take the RBI out of Baseball because people want to cry about how other Players can control when they get a RBI chance. Boo f'n Hoo
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Yes it the answer to PER and your are 100% correct people are out thinking themself because of some dumbass computer generated stat that tells me Ben Zobrist was the best player in baseball last year

Im so glad i can make decision by myself and dont have to live off of something a made up stat tells me
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I dont need some dumb stat that combine everything then compairs it to a fictional player in Triple A to tell me who the best players in Baseball are. Trout was the best overall player last year when you Combine Defense/Base Running and Hitting but he wasnt the MVP
First of all, just because you don't understand a stat doesn't mean it's stupid. Let's get that out of the way.

Secondly, you yourself just said Trout was the best overall player in the league last year when you look at all aspects of the game (offense, defense, base running).

Explain to me your logic then in Cabrera over Trout if Trout is a better player and the Angels won more games than the Tigers. Does the fact that the Tigers are in the AL Central and the Angels are in the AL West in and of itself make Cabrera the MVP? Is it Trout's fault Albert Pujols had the lowest batting average, on base percentage, slugging percentage and fewest home runs and runs scored in his 12 year career? Is it Trout's fault Vernon Wells sucks? Dan Haren having the worst ERA in his career -- Trout's fault? There are reasons the Angels didn't make the playoffs, none of which are Mike Trout's play. There are also reasons the Tigers made the playoffs that have absolutely nothing to do with Miguel Cabrera.

Also, please answer this question. If Miguel Cabrera had the exact same season he had, but say Josh Hamilton had hit 2 more homers and finished with 45 to Cabrera's 44 and therefore Miggy didn't win the triple crown. Who's the MVP, Cabrera or Trout?
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Cabrera is a well deserved MVP winner, but the notion that you win because you reached a milestone based solely upon arbitrary benchmarks, is hogwash. That goes for WAR as well.
Emphasis on arbitrary. All three of the triple crown stats are either completely worthless (RBI) or partial records that are inferior to something else.

Batting average is essentially a partial measure of how often a player gets on base. Well guess what? On base percentage is a full measure of how often a player gets on base, and Mike Trout has Cabrera beat in OBP by more than Cabrera beats him in batting average. RBI's already been covered, it's incredibly circumstantial and rooted in other player's accomplishments. It's garbage. Home runs is a totals stat and should be disregarded anyway based on that, but especially in an MVP discussion where one of the players missed a full month. Cabrera beats Trout in slugging percentage regardless, but that's still two of Cabrera's three triple crown stats that are bunk.

Most importantly, Trout kicks Cabrera's ass in WAR. Trout's WAR is 10.7. That's all-time caliber. Cabrera's was 6.9, which is merely all-star level. Just because you (FSH) are too stupid to understand WAR doesn't make it a 'made up' stat, you dolt. Most people who don't understand sabermetrics at least recognize that there's a knowledge gap that exists that they're on the wrong end of. Take a hint from them and stop spouting off like an ignorant dipshit.
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Hey look... three completely rational and different arguments that all come to the same conclusion! Here's another. Trout is the first player in major-league history with 30 homers, 45 steals and 125 runs in a season.

But let's just throw that out of the window because Cabrera lead three statistical categories!


He's an MVP afterall!

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Trout is Negro Leagues Legacy Awards' AL MVP
KANSAS CITY -- Mike Trout settled for runner-up when the Baseball Writers' Association of America announced its choice for American League MVP on Thursday, but the Angels' rookie sensation took home the Junior Circuit's top honor when the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum announced its annual Legacy Awards on Friday.

Trout received the AL's Oscar Charleston Award, recognizing the league's most valuable player, as well as the Larry Doby Award for top rookie and the James "Cool Papa" Bell Award for his stolen-base title.
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First of all, just because you don't understand a stat doesn't mean it's stupid. Let's get that out of the way.
How do i not understand the stat? The stat is a made up stat that compair what a player does to a fictional player that can be called up to replace him from Triple A or other. It a made up stat that makes baseball fan think they are smarter then they are

BEN F'N ZOBRIST was the leader in 2011. Please GTFO of here with WAR. It sad you got to hang your hat on a dumbass stat that was computer generated

Trout is a amazing player had a amazing season. It hilarious that people cant just think for themself anymore in Baseball got to run to ESPN and look at who is leading WAR. HEY BEN ZOBRIST MVP MVP MVP

Think what you want i enjoy baseball how i want and that isnt looking up computer generated made up stats. A good player is a good player and both Trout and Cabrera are that. If Trout was hitting 3rd in his lineup like Cabrera he probably would have been closer in RBI but he also wouldnt have scored all of them runs. He had 2 MVP Contenders hitting behind him. Hell Cabrera had what Austin Jackson and Brian Boesch hitting in front of him?

Cabrera MVP. Keep crying at your computer folks!
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He's an MVP afterall!
Good for him. The writers vote should have been closer. But good for him winning 1 award. Got robbed on the Gold Glove though
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Most importantly, Trout kicks Cabrera's ass in WAR. Trout's WAR is 10.7. That's all-time caliber. Cabrera's was 6.9, which is merely all-star level. Just because you (FSH) are too stupid to understand WAR doesn't make it a 'made up' stat, you dolt. Most people who don't understand sabermetrics at least recognize that there's a knowledge gap that exists that they're on the wrong end of. Take a hint from them and stop spouting off like an ignorant dipshit.
Keep running to ESPN to figure out who you like! Probably also a bandwagon jumper. Hey i hear the Blue Jays are gonna be good next year want me to buy you a hat?

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● Offensive players – Take wRAA, UBR, and UZR (which express offensive, base running, and defensive value in runs above average) and add them together. Add in a positional adjustment, since some positions are tougher to play than others, and then convert the numbers so that they’re not based on league average, but on replacement level (which is the value a team would lose if they had to replace that player with a “replacement” player – a minor leaguer or someone from the waiver wire). Convert the run value to wins (10 runs = 1 win) and voila, finished!
Hey what happens if the player that they are replace by turns out to be better??? DOES THE INTERNET BREAK!? Made up stats are fun. I gonna start making fictional players up and compairing them to major league players. Oh wait that stat already exist

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Ill leave all you bandwagon jumpers at this. Enjoy the dam game and stop running to ESPN to look up WAR stat to tell you who you think the best players are. Stop being a Lemming and Enjoy the game

Cris. Trout is a amazing player and i never meant to say anything bad about him or you when we where fighting about who was MVP.

The rest of you call me all the names you want. But dont forget to favorite ESPN WAR stat leaders
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Hey what happens if the player that they are replace by turns out to be better??? DOES THE INTERNET BREAK!? Made up stats are fun. I gonna start making fictional players up and compairing them to major league players. Oh wait that stat already exist

Ben Zobrist MVP!
This post is solid proof that you do not understand the stat, nor do you have the mental capability to understand somewhat complex ideas.
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FSH, can you answer the rest of my first post? I did not mention WAR once, I'm curious as to how you'll respond.
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FSH, can you answer the rest of my first post? I did not mention WAR once, I'm curious as to how you'll respond.
Nah im good. Ive said my peace. WAR or LAA sucking this year doesnt change the fact Cabrera won MVP. You can make up all the scenarios you want. Cabrera won MVP just like he should have

It was a great season we had a Triple Crown winner. Trout showing that speed still matters in Baseball when teams stop caring about Speed. Posey having a amazing come back. Yankees falling apart in the Playoffs

Sorry im not a Lemming and does what ESPN tells me too
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