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Old 11-17-2012, 10:05 AM   #31 (permalink)
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This post is solid proof that you do not understand the stat, nor do you have the mental capability to understand somewhat complex ideas.
That post was mostly a troll and you went for i laugh...

But explain to me what im missing. People are trying to summarize into 1 all god and mighty stat what a player means to a team. That mean taking everything + their position since some > then others according to this Stat and compair how many Wins they would gain or lose if this player was hurt and replace by a fictional player

Please HoboJoe save this poor man on the internet with your all mighty knowledge of such a hard made up stat. ESPN might get mad at me for not understanding it. Save us HJ YOUR OUR ONLY HOPE. Im sorry i have a mind of my own. I will now only listen to hobojoe and ESPN

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Old 11-17-2012, 10:07 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Nah im good. Ive said my peace. WAR or LAA sucking this year doesnt change the fact Cabrera won MVP. You can make up all the scenarios you want. Cabrera won MVP just like he should have

It was a great season we had a Triple Crown winner. Trout showing that speed still matters in Baseball when teams stop caring about Speed. Posey having a amazing come back. Yankees falling apart in the Playoffs

Sorry im not a Lemming and does what ESPN tells me too
But the Angels won more games than the Tigers, that's not a made up scenario. And you said Trout is a better overall player than Cabrera.
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Where in the definition of WAR does it say the leader has to be the MVP? The Zobrist Zobrist Zobrist thing is stupid because no one actually believes WAR is all or nothing.

Average is stupid, RBI are stupid and what WAR was designed for is stupid. HOWEVER. WAR better accurately compares player to player than stat to stat. WAR told us THIS year that Trout was much better ALL AROUND than Cabrera was solely with his bat. Trout saved multiple games with his defense and changed games with his speed. Walking the dude pretty much meant you gave up a double. Trout had a historic season, that that was NEVER been accomplished period, yet alone by a 21 year old.



You want to Compare Stats? Then Compare stats across the board not the ones that convenient for an argument. The Triple Crown is made up of two stats that are insanely arbitrary.
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:30 AM   #34 (permalink)
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That post was mostly a troll and you went for i laugh...

But explain to me what im missing. People are trying to summarize into 1 all god and mighty stat what a player means to a team. That mean taking everything + their position since some > then others according to this Stat and compair how many Wins they would gain or lose if this player was hurt and replace by a fictional player

Please HoboJoe save this poor man on the internet with your all mighty knowledge of such a hard made up stat. ESPN might get mad at me for not understanding it. Save us HJ YOUR OUR ONLY HOPE. Im sorry i have a mind of my own. I will now only listen to hobojoe and ESPN
You're acting like a clown again. Who the hell is saying anything about ESPN? You don't like WAR, you also don't understand WAR. Some people do. Fine. I've given you an argument that doesn't mention WAR once, you refuse to even acknowledge it.

Do you remember your Ivan Nova crap last year? You look just as foolish, if not more foolish right now. Just stop. Nice avatar and sig.
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:47 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Keep running to ESPN to figure out who you like! Probably also a bandwagon jumper. Hey i hear the Blue Jays are gonna be good next year want me to buy you a hat?

Ben Zorbist MVP!
So were thrown down a flight of stairs as an infant, or what?

Oh, and it's Zobrist.

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That post was mostly a troll and you went for i laugh...
Lol. Uh-oh, I just made an ass of myself on the internet. Better pass it off a troll!
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:56 AM   #36 (permalink)
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So were thrown down a flight of stairs as an infant, or what?

Oh, and it's Zobrist.


Lol. Uh-oh, I just made an ass of myself on the internet. Better pass it off a troll!
Yup. Unlike you i dont have to resort to acting like a 5 y/o and calling someone names on the f'n internet to get my way. Keep calling the guy that has his own opinion and not what ESPN tells me to think names. Your cool

Keep jumping that bandwagon buddy. Or you can maybe you can act out more like a child and throw a fit and call me a butthead or something
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:57 AM   #37 (permalink)
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You're acting like a clown again. Who the hell is saying anything about ESPN? You don't like WAR, you also don't understand WAR. Some people do. Fine. I've given you an argument that doesn't mention WAR once, you refuse to even acknowledge it.
PLEASE Explain to me what dont understand about WAR. Im waiting
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:03 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Where in the definition of WAR does it say the leader has to be the MVP? The Zobrist Zobrist Zobrist thing is stupid because no one actually believes WAR is all or nothing.

Average is stupid, RBI are stupid and what WAR was designed for is stupid. HOWEVER. WAR better accurately compares player to player than stat to stat. WAR told us THIS year that Trout was much better ALL AROUND than Cabrera was solely with his bat. Trout saved multiple games with his defense and changed games with his speed. Walking the dude pretty much meant you gave up a double. Trout had a historic season, that that was NEVER been accomplished period, yet alone by a 21 year old.



You want to Compare Stats? Then Compare stats across the board not the ones that convenient for an argument. The Triple Crown is made up of two stats that are insanely arbitrary.
WAR thing isnt aimed at you buddy! You got a legit beef your a Angels fan. WAR thing is aimed at those that are acting like it is the end all. Which even if they wont admit it there is a few on this board that think it is.

The Stats if you take away WAR i think still favor Cabrera. AVG/HR/RBI/OBP/OPS/SLUG all very nice for both. Cabrera isnt horrible at 3B but Trout is a game changer at CF. Cabrera last month of the season in a playoff push was amazing. Trout was terrible. It all matter of opinion and you are the only one i think has a legit beef with Trout losing all the other just like to jump on the Bandwagon and ride it till they have bashed everyone that doesnt like what they are telling them
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Yup. Unlike you i dont have to resort to acting like a 5 y/o and calling someone names on the f'n internet to get my way. Keep calling the guy that has his own opinion and not what ESPN tells me to think names. Your cool

Keep jumping that bandwagon buddy. Or you can maybe you can act out more like a child and throw a fit and call me a butthead or something
Except I don't use ESPN. Butthead.
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Also just like to point out. I have not once resorted to being a 5 y/o and named called when i didnt get my way on the internet message board. Unlike both Flood and Hobojoe and niether have explained to me what im missing with WAR and why i dont understand it. And i really am wondering what im missing and would like to learn
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Maybe go to an actual baseball stats site, like baseball-reference.com or fangraphs.
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Except I don't use ESPN. Butthead.
Sir. You are mean

But i would like someone to explain what im missing about WAR. I thought i had a pretty good idea of what its trying to do. But i guess im terrible wrong

Im here to learn from my mistake. Teach me
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I really don't understand why context is such a difficult concept for so many people. Everyone who screams about PER is saying that it means something it does not and the same thing is true with WAR. It does not mean anything in an absolute sense. Your brain must be supple enough to use it in context. If you're too rigid and dogmatic to accept it's limitations or to accept it's relative value, then there's not much point in having a discussion about it. In the end it's just one piece of a puzzle.
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I really don't understand why context is such a difficult concept for so many people. Everyone who screams about PER is saying that it means something it does not and the same thing is true with WAR. It does not mean anything in an absolute sense. It means what it means if your brain is supple enough to use it in context. If you're too rigid and dogmatic to accept it's limitations or to accept it's relative values, then there's not much point in having a discussion about it. In the end it's just one piece of a puzzle.
I understand the stat just fine. Flood and Hobojoe seem to think i dont and i want them to explain where i dont. Its a fine stat that people like it just i dont need it telling me who the best players in Baseball are when it really isnt that hard to figure it out for yourself

They can act out like children and bash me and ask me if i was drop down stairs all they want. I dont mind that its the internet. I just want them to explain to me where i went wrong

Ill stop fighting it though. Once again it my opinion. Cris is the only one with a legit reason to be pissed though

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Do you remember your Ivan Nova crap last year? You look just as foolish, if not more foolish right now. Just stop. Nice avatar and sig.
You know whats weird is Ivan Nova WAR last year was close to what Jered Weaver was this year

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