hobojoe

I never called you a name. I attacked your argument and said you're acting foolish and like a clown. And for at least the third time in this thread, I didn't say anything about WAR in my post saying Trout is the MVP over Cabrera. You are the one who first mentioned it in this thread.

I'd also like to know, can only Angels fans feel that Trout deserves the MVP?

FSH

Never said you couldnt, friend! Just said Cris has a Legit beef

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Cris

Everyone who believes that a Mike Trout-less angels would be a hell of a lot worse than a Cabrera-less Tigers has a legit beef. Without Mike Trout, the Angels probably platoon Izturiz and Bourjos as a leadoff hitter and the season is probably over faster than it started. The Angels were shit in April and had the best record in baseball since Trout was called up. He played a month less games and the Angels still had a better record in the toughest division in baseball last year.

If we're strictly talking about who is more valuable to their respective teams, Trout wins in a landslide.

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hobojoe

Pretty much sums it up.

But in other news, WAR sucks! RBI for life, it's not a made up stat!

Dornado

Disappointed by the quick resort to insults and personal attacks in this thread... questioning someones mental capacity counts. Keep it on topic.

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FSH

It is sad when they cant have a healthy debate with me but instead go to attacking me for having a opinion

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FSH

I dont believe this is true. Without Trout the Angels still had 2 MVP contenders in Trumbo and Pujols and Tori Hunter had a very good season. Even Morales had a solid come back season. Tigers without Cabrera would have had just Fielder with no one protecting him. Tigers without Cabrera would have been a bad team i think

And I dont think you real think the Angels without Trout would be worse then Tigers without Cabrera if you really looked and compared the teams

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seifer0406

btw, did anyone mention that the Angels actually won more games than the Tigers this year and that the Angels played in a much more difficult division? This isn't like Bautista beasting for nothing, Trout was the best player on a great team.

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hobojoe

Cris and I both did more than once. Apparently that doesn't mean anything to FSH. Cris also mentioned that the Angels had the best record in the league once Trout was called up, but again that's not as important as RBI apparently.

seifer0406

I like how FSH listed leading his team to the world series as an accomplishment for Cabrera when

a) Cabrera was the 4th or 5th best player(generously speaking) for the Tigers during the post season

and

b) Had the Angels played in the Central division the Tigers wouldn't even be in the playoffs being the 7th best team in the American league.

This isn't even win method wrong. At least win method recognized wins.

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FSH

The last month of the season. Which is the reason for me why Cabrera past Trout for MVP, Cabrera was amazing and lead the Tigers to the post season. Trout on the other hand wasnt very good

Come up with all the stuff you want. Bash me and act like a 5 year olds but it still doesnt change Cabrera won MVP. I dont even get why you guys are fighting with me still. Its not like i had a dam Vote in it. Seriously you guys are getting sad

Seriously people move on already. Ive have said 5 times now im done but i keep coming back to this nonsense with you guys acting like im a f'n voter for MVP

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seifer0406

Who's trying to change anything? I already explained why Cabrera won. Because the average baseball fan's baseball knowledge is incredibly limited and these awards are set up to satisfy the average fan. The reason you are getting blasted is because you tried to defend the award using baseball reasoning, which just became comical. Now accept the fact that there isn't a legitimate baseball reason behind this and we can all move on.

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hobojoe

Nothing you've attempted to argue makes any sense, that's why. It's also pretty comical that you're trying to play the mature, level-headed adult now in this thread. At least you've calmed down enough to take down the Zobrist avatar.

FSH

Zobrist #1 2011 MVP!

Your whole thing is that i dont understand WAR. Ive explain what i believe WAR to be and said i might be wrong and i was waiting for you to explain where i was wrong but i couldnt care less. The Baseball season is over we can do this all again next year

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FSH

Dear God move on Buddy. Holy shit this is getting incredible sad

And didnt i just explain why i think Cabrera pasted Trout for MVP? The last month of the season will tell you the reason

We cant all be lemmings. Some of us have our own opinion stop trying to change mine

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