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11-23-2003, 04:33 PM
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When HBs must be punished
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Time to stir up some heated debate...
Does anyone still think that the Orlando-Memphis trade went better for Orlando? Personally, I was glad to see Gooden go. He rarely ever passes the ball and I don't see anything super-spectacular about him. I had always been neutral on Giriceck. He didn't really help us by leaving, but he didn't hurt us either. The addidtion of Mike Miller has helped the Grizzlies tremendously and I still think the trade has gone better for the Grizzlies, especially now.
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11-23-2003, 04:59 PM
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I never thought the trade was better for Orlando. I too was glad to see Gooden go. He and Giricek are both selfish players that just didn't fit into Hubie's system, which emphasizes team. Gooden's defense is also horrible, and his work ethic has always been questionable.
Of course, the ideal situation would have been drafting Amare instead of Gooden, but that certainly isn't Jerry West's fault. He wasn't prepared for the draft because he had just been hired, and I believe Amare had only worked out for the Suns anyway. West thought he was drafting the best player available, and that got us Mike Miller, who has easily became my favorite player on the team. So, I'm not going to complain about that.
There is no question that we are a much better team after the trade. And that draft pick from Orlando is looking good right now considering their record, but that could possibly change as the season rolls on.
Last season I would have said that it was an even trade, but now I think the Grizzlies have received the most benefits.
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11-23-2003, 05:36 PM
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I tried to tell everyone that the trade was great for MEM last year when it happened but then Miller got hurt and Orlando went to the playoffs and everyone thought MEM got robbed. I think Miller could be a good scorer in the league and even though his D aint very good he can definitely score! This in the long run will be a great trade for the Grizz b/c they never needed Drew with Pau and Stro and Gordon could basically be replaced by any decent SG in the league. Mike Miller will be a great fit here and will be here for a while(obvious by his extension).
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11-23-2003, 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by <b>talula</b>!
I never thought the trade was better for Orlando. I too was glad to see Gooden go. He and Giricek are both selfish players that just didn't fit into Hubie's system, which emphasizes team. Gooden's defense is also horrible, and his work ethic has always been questionable.
Of course, the ideal situation would have been drafting Amare instead of Gooden, but that certainly isn't Jerry West's fault. He wasn't prepared for the draft because he had just been hired, and I believe Amare had only worked out for the Suns anyway. West thought he was drafting the best player available, and that got us Mike Miller, who has easily became my favorite player on the team. So, I'm not going to complain about that.
There is no question that we are a much better team after the trade. And that draft pick from Orlando is looking good right now considering their record, but that could possibly change as the season rolls on.
Last season I would have said that it was an even trade, but now I think the Grizzlies have received the most benefits.
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I agree 110%.
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11-23-2003, 06:52 PM
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Is Giricek on the IL for the magic as of now?? I think that is one of the reasons the Magic aren't doing well as a team right now. Giricek is a good spark either starting or coming straight off the bench. He can nail those long jump shots with ease once he gets into rhythm. The magic really need a second scoring option coming behind T-Mac these next few games. Gooden and Howard are not playing well together. Gooden is a crybaby in my opinion. But getting back to the point, the Magic have a good team, but they just haven't utilized them in the correct way. Put that to the coaching or management if anyone. They just need to get a few wins to boost there confidence.
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11-23-2003, 07:15 PM
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Here's a post I made on the Magic board.
I think it pretty much sums up my thoughts on the trade, since some of the Magic fans have been complaining about Gooden lately -- complaining about the same things we were complaining about when we traded him. Giricek's always been a black hole with no defense as well. He was just a throw-in, and will never amount to anything in the league, outside of maybe a 20mpg 6th or 7th man. Don't forget that Giricek is something like 27 years old...past his prime.
Gooden still has the opportunity to live up to his potential, but I doubt he ever will. A shame, too, because he was an amazing college player.
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11-23-2003, 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by <b>talula</b>!
And that draft pick from Orlando is looking good right now considering their record, but that could possibly change as the season rolls on.
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What draft pick?
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11-23-2003, 11:38 PM
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What draft pick?
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The Grizzlies also received a first-round pick owed to Orlando by Sacramento and a second-round selection in 2004, while sending an undisclosed amount of cash to the Magic.
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11-24-2003, 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by <b>talula</b>!
I never thought the trade was better for Orlando. I too was glad to see Gooden go. He and Giricek are both selfish players that just didn't fit into Hubie's system, which emphasizes team. Gooden's defense is also horrible, and his work ethic has always been questionable.
Of course, the ideal situation would have been drafting Amare instead of Gooden, but that certainly isn't Jerry West's fault. He wasn't prepared for the draft because he had just been hired, and I believe Amare had only worked out for the Suns anyway. West thought he was drafting the best player available, and that got us Mike Miller, who has easily became my favorite player on the team. So, I'm not going to complain about that.
There is no question that we are a much better team after the trade. And that draft pick from Orlando is looking good right now considering their record, but that could possibly change as the season rolls on.
Last season I would have said that it was an even trade, but now I think the Grizzlies have received the most benefits.
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I am a fan of Gooden and I know he didn't fit Hubie's system or anyting really here in Memphis, but selfish? Gooden is not selfish...umm nor is he a bad defender. He had to play the 3 here and his natural position is 4. That's the same reason why he and Howard aren't coexisting right now in Orlando - both play the same position...they've finally had Howard come off the bench.
But ultimately, I think the trade helped us more than it hurt us. neither gooden nor giricek fit here in memphis, while miller is a much better fit for hubie.
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11-24-2003, 07:01 AM
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I wonder when those columnist that were so critical about Jerry West’s trades and draft picks will acknowledge that they were wrong. Okay the picks haven’t produced yet but I am confident that we got NBA players in the draft. Bell and Jones were low risk picks. They are grown men with four years of highly competition college experience and they both play serious defense. They are role players are worst.
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11-24-2003, 08:34 AM
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I am a fan of Gooden and I know he didn't fit Hubie's system or anyting really here in Memphis, but selfish? Gooden is not selfish...umm nor is he a bad defender. He had to play the 3 here and his natural position is 4. That's the same reason why he and Howard aren't coexisting right now in Orlando - both play the same position...they've finally had Howard come off the bench.
But ultimately, I think the trade helped us more than it hurt us. neither gooden nor giricek fit here in memphis, while miller is a much better fit for hubie.
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You're the first person that I've ever heard say that about Gooden. Even Orlando fans are complaining about his defense and selfishness.
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I am sick of Drew Gooden, his defense is so pathetic. Gooden is soft as hell, Brad Miller shot 7-8 tonight had 22 points, he could of had 40 if he wanted to. The Kings take out Brad Miller and put in Tony Massenburg at PF he shoots 4-6 and has 10 points. They put Darious Songaila in at PF and he shots 4-6 with 11 points.
Gooden is very selfish if the Magic pass him the ball 20 times in game he will shot 15 or 16 times and only get about 12 points. When he does pass it, it will be after taking up the entire shot clock posting up, then giving it to someone with no time to put up a good shot. He is a terrible team player.
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See the thread Rawse posted above.
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