MemphisX

The bar is not set low for him, I think the bar is set to high for him. I will not judge him as an underachiever until hets 30+ minutes per game and fails (which he has not done).

Case in point: Jermaine O'Neal. The first season he got over 30 minutes he produced 13 pts and 10 boards, good but not spectacular. I think given 30+ minutes, Stro would be in that same area and he is still young.

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talula

#9 in blocks per 48 minutes
#11 in free throw attempts per 48 minutes
#12 in efficiency ranking per 48 minutes

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I wonder what his numbers would look like if he was getting Pau's minutes.

Call him a flop all you want, but you're off on that just like you were off about his defensive and rebounding abilities.

TMOD

When both were 21:

Stro 14 Starts 26.5 MPG .480 FG .711 FT 6.3 RPG 1.66 BPG 11.8 PPG 1.79 T.O. 2.6 PF

Amare 71 Starts 31.3 MPG .472 FG .661 FT 8.8 RPG 1.06 BPG 13.5 PPG 2.3 T.O. 3.3 PF

So surely it isn't the first 18 games of the season (okay, and last year for Stro...) that so taint your view Ozzy?

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OZZY

I sure hope he becomes that great, I really do.

Cinco de Mayo

WHO is saying that Swift is better a future All-Star, and better yet, WHO is saying that he's better than Tim Duncan and Chris Webber?? I swear to the ****ing Lord, OZZY, you just make up arguments so they can just suit whatever agenda you seem to have for a particular day. Saying that someone is saying that Swift is even better than Amare or Nene is a phantom argument, and if you don't believe me, I dare you to send me some proof that anyone's comparing him to top 15 power forwards.

All I or anyone else have said about the guy is that he's a very explosive, exciting player (TRUE) with room for improvement (TRUE), and that he deserves more playing time (TRUE). If you read too much into those comments that it seems like we're making him out to be the next Chamberlain, then it's your own goddamn fault.

No one has said that his improvements on his game this year is any indication that he has arrived, but that he's closer to arriving. Once again, you purposely misread others' thoughts so that you can meet whatever little petty claim that you try to impose on people. Your comments about Swift thus far have only proved to me that you haven't ever seen him play outside of the SportsCenter highlights. You're indicating that the guy is vastly overrated when in fact he's more of a hidden secret in the league. So don't come in this forum talking about bull**** that you barely even know about. If you want to vomit your half-truths, misinformed statements, and oblivious inconsistencies in your points, then go to the EBB forum like you normally do.

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I didn't see tonight's game against the Kings but Swift's 11 points, 10 rebounds in 21 minutes seem impressive. He was great in the victory against the Nets as well. Gasol is good but can be indecisive in the post. I don't think Swift knows the word "indecision" even Not when he's dunking at least

BTW, OZzy's post has me puzzled! Tim Duncan vs Stromile Swift! Nuff said!!

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c_dog

man, stromile is more than just some guy who can dunk. if you watch him play you would know. it's a mystery to every grizz fan why he never gets minutes. we heard that the reason he doesn't get minutes is because of his work ethic.. but really, whenever he plays, he's always been productive. i can't think of any player who is more productive than stromile in 20 minutes of playing time. he can score, grab rebounds, and block shots. very fun player to watch.

Jermaine o'neal didn't get good numbers until he was traded to indiana and got points. the grizzlies is a very deep team, and it just so happened that Swift had to play behind guys like Reef, Harrington(?), Gasol, Wright, Gooden. Now Grizzlies also have Outlaw, another good backup PF who takes away some of Swift's pts. Not saying Swift is Jermaine, but he would be getting good numbers with minutes, that's for sure.

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Hey I haven't got a chance to vet my dissatisfaction with Stromile's play yet, so this thread gave me the window. If he is a "hidden secret" people must be pretty damn stupid. How is the 2nd pick in the 2000 NBA draft a "hidden secret" could someone explain that to me? If by hidden secret you mean vastly underachieving prospect yeah your right. I compared him to all of the great PF's because he should be one! But if you guys want to set the bar one foot off the ground and say jump thats fine with me, because he will obviously make that jump. Fun player to watch, cool player, exciting, yes. But he is underachieving and should be a lot better than he is.

And this Jermain O'Neal crap, it took him a long time to produce in the league....

MPG Mins Per Game: first 4 seasons

Jermaine
10
13
9
12

Stromile
16
27
22
21


So comparing his potential to Jermaine O'Neal, I don't think that is accurate.


Keep pretending the kid is not underachieving.

UKfan4Life

I did in one thread, but as I later stated in the same thread, it would only be because of his dunks and because he's popular. The NBA All-Star game has become a popularity contest. I never said Stro was deserving enough to be an All-Star, and I don't think he ever will be.

Cinco de Mayo

Ozzy, the worst thing on BBB.net is whenever you get a "window" to make your vapid views known to the world.

I am not the only one on this board to call him a "secret." In fact, I'll try and find a post for you by Tom in which he called Stro the "best kept secret" in the league. If he didn't have to play behind a true PF with franchise-player hopes, then there's no doubt in my mind that his numbers would be pretty good. Has he underachieved thus far in his career? Yes. Is he coming along? Yes. And that's all people are glad for. That he's finally showing hope of being the player that he can be.

Hopefully, your "window" is closed now.

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vapid=Lacking liveliness, animation, or interest; dull

Ok my opinions has been called a lot of different things, but never vapid or dull, that’s news to me. But sad to say your apparent insult will not stop me from voicing my "vapid" opinions. But glad we kind of see some what eye to eye on the underachieving Stromile Swift so far in the NBA.

And my window will never be closed, because this is America and we have something called the 1st amendment.


I hope my last post clarified my position more clearly.

c_dog

okay, i don't usually say this to posters because i respect their opinions, but you need to watch more grizzly basketball...

underachieving?? not really. how can he be underachiving when he barely gets to play? he's had to play behind other good pf's so far. there was no way he was going to start over reef, even as a #2 pick.

then came the trade and pau came along, and i'll never get why swift had to play behind pau... i suppose they thought pau was more of a franchise player than swift and decided to develop pau?

anyway, he never got minutes, but whenever he does he always put up good numbers, and even in limited minutes he is productive? i would hardly call that underachiving. he's just playing on a team that's always been stacked at the PF spot. saying he's underachiving just shows that you haven't seen enough of him. he makes the most out of his minutes on the court.

I, for one, can certainly see why he was picked at #2 in a very weak draft class.

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OZZY

I have stated my position and I do not feel like stating it again. Don't like it, oh well.

talula

Maybe because you came off as someone who has never seen a single Grizz game?

And by the way, Stro had another double-double last night in 21 minutes of action. Not too