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If Wade has the ball in his hands more, then of course he going to have more turnovers. You cant make an argument about assists in Carters favour and then turn around and bring up turnovers. You're stepping on your own argument.

Vinsane

He said Vince is playin on god-given talents well so is lebron you think he worked to get that body

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reHEATed

His assists were actually higher with shaq not in the lineup.....as least know what you are talking about and use correct analysis/numbers if you want to post with the arrogance that you do.

and as for turnovers, that is Wade's main problem. That is known and wade is criticized for it here plenty.

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Until Lebron shows that hes only playing on his god given talent, and that a love of the game has nothing to do with it, then they arent the same player.

nickrock23

re: turnovers, wade's never bother me. even if you look at his game winner vs. the knicks last year, the possession before, he turned it over with a dumb pass, but made up for it with a defensive rebound and game winning jumper. shaq and eddie's never bothered me either.. i don't know why but the only guy who drove me crazy with turnovers was lamar odom. and i think the world of his game.

re: vince/wade, i think vince does have the will or desire to win, and he's a great great player, but there's something special in wade, like mj and kobe (to an extent), where they just refuse to let their team lose. doesn't mean wade is better. but if vince and wade were in the draft together at the same age, i'd take wade and not think twice about it.

and i have watched enough of vince. i saw him in highschool in a dunk contest live, i watched every UNC game televised in NYC when he was there. i saw him play in college at MSG too. i remember a game a couple years ago where he got his on the side of the face, layed on the floor for 5 minutes then left the game with a "tootheache" holding his cheek. gimme a break, he's so fragile. wade nearly had 2 broken ribs and took 2 cortisone shots to the chest b4 a game. vince would have been in a hospital watching on tv.

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I dont see anyone questioning Camby's makeup when in all reality he is one of the softest guys in the league. Same goes for Webber, Bobby Jax, Hughes and the list goes on and on. Some guys just dont have the strongest bones, and in Vince's case for a guy who doesnt believe in weight training it obviously is more evident. I dont understand why people believe the guy goes out there to go and get hurt. Nickrock you claimed to have seen a lot of his games, did you happen to watch the nets boston game last season. The very final game the nets had to win to get into the playoffs. Ricky Davis stepped on his ankle, the nets were down by like 10 or 15 with their season in jeopardy. Yet Vince came back and dropped 39 to lead the nets to a win and essentially the playoffs.

And oh by the way am totally against the Wade fans crying thread. People can get their points across without being childish

HB

Its best you dont talk about what you dont know. I said earlier in his career when I referred to the tears thingy. And 15 games has never equalled 2 years. Get your facts straight. The year before the toronto trade he averaged 22/5/5 those are still pretty good numbers, I dont know how you could consider that dogging

The_Notic

Ahahahahahaha, you can not be serious.

All his teammates and coaches ever talk about is how much of a practice player he is, read the Slam Article on that.

LeBron is one of the most dedicated players in the league, and I'm neutral on LeBron.

Dont like the guy, Dont hate the guy... But I sure as hell do respect his work ethic, something Carter is sorely lacking.

Vinsane

So I guess his recent lacking is the cause of the nets recent troubles

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VC_15

i thought the Vince vs Wade stuff ended on the nets board..... BTW i am agianst the thread about (wade fans crying)... i don't why would you make a thread about that....Anyways... Both players are great players.....Obviously now.. vince is almost 29 and wade is 23.... so any GM would pick Wade to Build Around.... i would even Pick wade if i am starting a team... However recently... Vince has been playing better than wade... I don't know what going with wade lately... one night he goes for 30+.. the other finishes wth 19 or 14 pts....he didn't have those kind of games in the beginning of the season....And his turnovers do Concern me... what did he have like 8 TO against NO?.... But wade is still an elite player.. just like Vince....i'de say Vince is the better Offesnive player ( he can shoot better than wade...(FG% doesn't say much about shooting the ball because layups are included there too)......But wade is better on defense... they're probably the same at passing the ball... However... I do think Vince is more of a clutch player than Wade...Anyways...for the season so far now... wade is better overrall VC..but if Vince continues like he's playing recently... then things could turn around...

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IbizaXL

damn, this thread is still going strong? lol

i think its time we drop the subject on these 2 guys.

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HB

I wholeheartedly agree

gian

So you don't think LeBron worked to get that body? He could've smoked and that would've messed him up. He could've had more softdrinks than he was allowed, and that would've messed him up. He could've stopped going to the gym and that would've messed him up.

He didn't work? The height was there, that's a given.. but you ever hear of the phrase "tall and lanky"?

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